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Predictions for Bush’s speech Tuesday night

TOVisitor

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Giving speech in front of troops: craven and mendacious photo-op

New plan for Iraq: probably not.

Uses words “Hard work” or "freedom” or “freedom-loving Iraqi people”: at least 10 times

Reinstate the draft: definitely not

Call for sacrifice from others: definitely not

Call for enlistments: definitely not

Mentions bin Laden: No

Mentions Saddam: Maybe

Number of viewers: Low because of good summer weather and NBA draft

Mentions Americans who "disagree" with him": yes, but dismisses them

Uses words "stay the course": at least twice

Admits any Iraq mistakes: Definitely not

Your predictions?
 

Asterix

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Won't give any hint at a time-line, and say "we'll stay til the job is done".

Praise Rummy for his excellent performance at least twice.

Pepeat how close the Iraqis are to democracy and self-rule three times.

Modify Cheney's "last throes" commnent into something only slightly more believable.

Will omit using "coalition" to describe the current force in Iraq.

Will make vauge reference to the progress of rebuilding without listing specific examples or the contractors involved.

Try to suggest that Americans supporting their troops and supporting the war are the same thing.
 

happygrump

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Hope:
  • Fire Cheney;
  • Announce timetable for removing forces from Iraq;
  • Begin congressional investigation of Halliburton;
  • Take responsibility for his actions;
  • Reach out to friend and foes in an olive branch to work together to solve problems of poverty, weapons proliferation, humanitarian causes;
  • Dump Rove, rebuild the Republican Party to the stature of its glory pre-Christian fundamentalist days.

More likely:
  • Appeal to patriotic fervour;
  • Praise dunderheads like Rove and Rumsfeld for a job well done;
  • Exploit the sacrifice of families who have lost members in the Iraq conflict;
  • Praise himself for bringing Saddam to justice;
  • Ignore the fact that OBL is still on the loose (I STILL think he's at The Brass Rail, hovering around gynecology row);
  • Ignore the very real and serious issues raised by the Downing Street Memos;
  • Mispronounce "nuclear" as "nookyewlair" at least twice.
 

TOVisitor

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The Rude Pundit makes his predictions

6/28/2005
President Fluffy Fucker


Let us say that you're a guy who' datin' a woman who's totally into stuffed animals. She's got the Care Bears and their goddamn cousins. She's got bunnies, kitties, Build-a-friggin' Bears of every shape and size and costume. You thank Christ that she missed the whole Beanie Baby thing, but, c'mon, how many Gunds does one human being need? And one day she walks into her bedroom in her apartment and catches you fuckin' one of them. That's right. You're balls deep in Funshine Bear and you just didn't expect her home. It's bad enough that you're in her place when she didn't invite her. But now she's gotta deal with the sight of you, pants off, thrusting your cock into a smilin' yellow bear.

You also know she doesn't know the worst part, yet – that you’ve been sneakin' into her place for weeks, fuckin' the bunnies, the kitties, and those sassy ass Groovy Girls who just want it nasty. You can't stop yourself. You've got a problem. And while you know your relationship, such that it is, can never be the same, especially when she finds the crusty spots on Snookum Bunny, you might be able to ask for forgiveness and see what happens.

Except when she demands an explanation, you turn it around on her. Why can't she support you? She's got all these fluffy fuckers just layin' around here – why can't you have your way with 'em? Hey, in fact, by fuckin' Hello Kitty, you’re sayin', "Good-bye, pussy" and not cheatin' on her. And if she'll just be patient, you'll have worked this out of your system and everyone will be happy, if a bit defiled.

Seriously, and, c'mon, really, what the fuck can Bush say tonight that's gonna make everyone who's turned so viciously on him suddenly think that the war in Iraq is just jim-holy-shit-dandy. All it's gonna be is the same bullshit we've heard from Rumsfeld and McClellan and the rest: me stop terrorism, we safer, no rape rooms, the Keystone Iraqi forces are growin', we will win, loss of life bad, insurgents be foreign killahs. And, hey, lick my balls, we're stayin' the course.

To return to our story of hot fluffy sex: Any reasonably sane woman would throw you the fuck out her life and maybe, for good measure, have you arrested. Would that America might react the same way to Bush’s arrogant propaganda moment.

(Is this an absurd analogy? No shit. Welcome to America in the 21st century. Motto: We’re absurd, you can shove a fish up your nose.)

Tomorrow: Well, the Rude Pundit Was Right About the Speech.
 

Mcluhan

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Bush to Defend Iraq Policy in Address
AP - 41 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - President Bush is using the first anniversary of Iraq's sovereignty to try to ease Americans' doubts about the mission and outline a winning strategy for a violent conflict that has cost the lives of more than 1,740 U.S. troops and has no end in sight. In a prime-time address from Fort Bragg, N.C., home of the Army's elite 82nd Airborne Division, Bush was to argue that there is no need to change course in Iraq despite the upsetting images produced by daily insurgent attacks.
How's this for an idea. Obviously he is going to have to lie a lot. So we hold a lie raffle. First we have to define the lies as being real honest to god lies... that should be good for about 20 pages of debate here...then when we have settled on the number, it will be in the range of say 15 to 50, the winner takes all.... now...we just need an SP to cooperate... what's a raffle without a booty!
 

TOVisitor

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Timetable? What timetable?

from: http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/28/in-1999-bush-demanded-a-timetable/

In 1999, George W. Bush criticized President Clinton for not setting a timetable for exiting Kosovo, and yet he refuses to apply the same standard to his war.

George W. Bush, 4/9/99:

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”


And on the specific need for a timetable, here’s what Bush said then and what he says now:

George W. Bush, 6/5/99

“I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”

[ed. note: article originally ran in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer on 6/5/99]

VERSUS

George W. Bush, 6/24/05:

“It doesn’t make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you’re — you’re conceding too much to the enemy.”
 

Asterix

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Talk about preaching to the choir. I can't believe this man didn't even have the guts to deliever his message from the oval office. Liars generally llike an excuse not to make eye contact to whom they are lying. Pathetic and surprisingly weak, even by GW's standards.
 

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I predict the polls will improve :D

OTB
 

TOVisitor

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Washington Post's reaction to speech

From: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/28/AR2005062801525.html

Mr. Bush on Iraq
Wednesday, June 29, 2005; Page A20


PRESIDENT BUSH sought last night to bolster slipping public support for the war in Iraq by connecting it, once again, to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and to the war against terrorism. That connection is not spurious, even if Saddam Hussein was not a collaborator of al Qaeda: Clearly Iraq is now a prime battlefield for Islamic extremists, and success or failure there will do much to determine the outcome of the larger struggle against them. But Mr. Bush didn't explain how a war meant to remove a tyrant believed to wield weapons of mass destruction turned into a fight against Muslim militants, a transformation caused in part by his administration's many errors since Saddam Hussein's defeat more than two years ago. The president also didn't speak candidly enough about the primary mission the United States now has in Iraq, which is not "hunting down the terrorists" but constructing a stable government in spite of Iraq's sectarian divisions and violent resistance from the former ruling elite. It's harder to explain why Americans should die in such a complex and ambitious enterprise than in a fight with international terrorists, but that is the case Mr. Bush most needs to make.

When he did turn to Iraq's reconstruction Mr. Bush mostly described the bright side of a very mixed picture. While acknowledging that "our progress has been uneven," his dominant theme was success: in training Iraqi security forces, holding elections and promoting political accord. The progress he described is genuine, as is the reality that the United States has no reasonable alternative to continuing to support the construction of a representative Iraqi government. Mr. Bush rightly argued that a deadline for withdrawal would be a "serious mistake."

Once again, however, the president missed an opportunity to fully level with Americans, even though some of the hard truths he elided have been spelled out by his aides and senior military commanders. The insurgency, they have said, is not growing weaker; most likely, said Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, it will never be defeated by American troops, and it will continue for many more years. Iraqi troops probably will not be ready to take over from U.S. units for several years, at least. For now, the combined U.S.-Iraqi force is nowhere near large enough to hold territory taken from the insurgents or to secure the country's borders. Yet Army and Marine units are being pressed into their third tours of duty, even as recruitment of fresh soldiers at home lags badly.

Mr. Bush's account of his strategy for Iraq, which has remained virtually unchanged in the past year, doesn't answer the worrying questions raised by these facts. How will the insurgency be contained during the considerable time it will take to prepare Iraqi troops? How will the Army and Marines manage years more of heavy deployments while addressing their recruitment problems? And how will continued heavy spending on the war affect the federal budget and domestic priorities? The president's evasion of the hardest facts about Iraq is coupled with a reluctance to candidly describe the likely price of success -- though Mr. Bush did make an appeal last night for military service.

Fortunately, most Americans appear to have a hardheaded appreciation of the problems and stakes in Iraq. A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that most do not believe the administration's claims of progress, but a majority still is willing to support an extended stay by U.S. forces. If those forces are to succeed in the difficult months and years ahead, Mr. Bush will need to preserve and nourish that fragile mandate -- which will mean speaking more honestly to Americans than he did last night.
 

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You know, I usually really enjoy the politics forum but I have to say it is really maddening to have to wade thru all this cut and paste BS.

Believe it or not, most of us have the ability to search for and find articles of interest. I am interested in reading, and participating, in debate with fellow posters -- that seems to be the main attraction of a discussion forum. If I want a supplimental reading list, I can find one on my own thank you. Also, highlighting specific passages to bolster your argument is really condescending.
 

happygrump

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This fellow is so transparent it's ridiculous...

Appeal to patriotic fervour;
bush said:
This Fourth of July, I ask you to find a way to thank the men and women defending our freedom — by flying the flag … sending letters to our troops in the field … or helping the military family down the street.
Exploit the sacrifice of families who have lost members in the Iraq conflict;
bush said:
I have met with families grieving the loss of loved ones who were taken from us too soon.
Praise himself for bringing Saddam to justice;
bush said:
The Iraqi people are emerging from decades of tyranny and oppression. Under the regime of Saddam Hussein, the Shia and Kurds were brutally oppressed...
Ignore the very real and serious issues raised by the Downing Street Memos; didn't say a word, did he?
 

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from: http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/

George Bush's speech before America's professional warrior class went over like a fart.

It was recieved so coldly that the White House advance team had to start the clapping. The attendees were ordered to be polite tonight. But considering the audience was filled with various variety of paratrooper, 82nd ABN, Special Forces and Delta, that's an astonishing thing.

The majority of the men there were people who chose to be warriors. They chose airborne school, some chose Special Forces, some were picked for Delta Force. In short, these were men who were willing to serve their country in the most dangerous situations possible.

What did the President tell them?

Everything's fine.

They KNOW everything isn't fine. Some of the NCO's have masters degrees in international relations, some of the officers, doctorates. Most have been to both Iraq and Afghanistan. They know how fucked it is because they work hand in glove with the CIA or as it's called in the field, OGA (Other Government Agency). They are the people who send the intelligence to the president.

All the White House wanted was a serious military audience. The problem is that it's also a smart military audience, with real-world experience. So they were respectful to Bush, but the audience was icy cold, smirks and tepid applause. And that was from an audience which wanted to listen to him, along with the families of the dead. By the end of it, only the Sergeant Majors were left to shake his hand. Men who have seen more combat than most other humans outside the Congo. And they knew he was full of shit. They talk to generals. It's part of their job. They know Bush lied to them.

And that plea for military service dripped with cowardice.

But it was a gift from God.

Why? Because we can now ask if the twins have ever considered military service. Or any other members of the Bush family, since it's so fucking noble.

If we lived in a country with shame, Bush should feel some while lying before some of America's bravest soldiers. Butr we knew he wouldn't before he opened his mouth.

But unless they were a freeper, they knew they had just sat through a bit of delusion which rivaled calls for Army Group Steiner to save Berlin.
 

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happygrump said:
This fellow is so transparent it's ridiculous...

Appeal to patriotic fervour;

Exploit the sacrifice of families who have lost members in the Iraq conflict;

Praise himself for bringing Saddam to justice;

Ignore the very real and serious issues raised by the Downing Street Memos; didn't say a word, did he?
I think your standards are too high. Can one really expect anything more than vague and transparent platitudes in a political speech ?

(Not that I watched it- the season finale of Doctor Who was on at the same time).
 

Guy Lafleuer

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Truncador said:
I think your standards are too high. Can one really expect anything more than vague and transparent platitudes in a political speech ?

(Not that I watched it- the season finale of Doctor Who was on at the same time).
I would hope that in times of crisis, our leaders lead. Not dance...LEAD ! That's what I expect from a leader. Thank God this group wasn't around during WWII. We'd all be goosestepping to work.

Guy
 

Asterix

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I think you miss the point, Truncy. Bush had an opportunity to seriously address the concerns about Iraq last night, and essentially tanked. Speaking before a military audience instead of talking directly to the American people from the White House was a huge blunder. The silence in the auditorium through much of his speech was deafening. His handlers must have told him to lighten up on the perpetual frown he usually wears when giving speeches, which he's replaced with a near perpetual goofy half grin. His whole demeanor suggests that he doesn't really give a rip.
 

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Asterix said:
I think you miss the point, Truncy. Bush had an opportunity to seriously address the concerns about Iraq last night, and essentially tanked. Speaking before a military audience instead of talking directly to the American people from the White House was a huge blunder. The silence in the auditorium through much of his speech was deafening. His handlers must have told him to lighten up on the perpetual frown he usually wears when giving speeches, which he's replaced with a near perpetual goofy half grin. His whole demeanor suggests that he doesn't really give a rip.
Like I said, I skipped it in favour of Doctor Who. I will merely point out that the bottom line for political purposes is not what military officers, intellectuals, or pundits think about the speech, but what Johnny Lunchpail and Mary Housecoat think. Those are the people Bush is speaking to.
 

Asterix

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Like I said, I skipped it in favour of Doctor Who.
Good choice. Way more believable.




Truncador said:
I will merely point out that the bottom line for political purposes is not what military officers, intellectuals, or pundits think about the speech, but what Johnny Lunchpail and Mary Housecoat think. Those are the people Bush is speaking to.
Not last night he wasn't. I think Johnny and Mary are far less easily duped in the long run than you seem to think.
 

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Howard Fineman NAILS Bush

Fineman has been a big Bush supporter.

From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8405365/

To win the war on terror, President Bush keeps saying, Americans must sacrifice. After his speech on Iraq, congressional Republicans probably know which Americans he’s talking about: them! If current polling trends continue, the GOP could come under withering fire in next year’s congressional elections. But they shouldn’t expect Bush to yank the troops from Mesopotamia for his party’s sake. His implicit advice to the GOP: Strap on the body armor, remind voters that jihadists are evil and label the Democrats appeasers who would rather call a lawyer or a shrink than call in air strikes.

Every time I think the president has exhausted the possibilities of stark rhetoric, I am wrong: Like a preacher with Bible in hand, he keeps coming up with knew formulations of the struggle between good and evil. Strategically, we’re in a giant global game of Texas Hold ‘Em, and Bush, despite a hand that doesn’t look that strong, keeps shoving more chips into the pot. Now the war in Iraq has been elevated to the level of the Revolutionary War, the Civil War and the 20th century struggles against Nazism and Soviet Communism.

<snip>

Now this is something:

And there was something eerily, even disturbingly, evocative about the president’s speech at Fort Bragg. Here was a wartime leader depicting a nation under siege — his own — in what looked to be an airless, windowless place, speaking to a silent but supportive cast of beret-wearing military officers. Seeking to steel them for the struggles ahead, in which the very existence of the nation was at stake, he recalled the country’s great victories of the past. He called for new recruits to join the army, and on citizens to express their patriotism by creating public displays. He vowed he would never to give in — which brought thunderous applause from his loyal if perhaps a bit nervous officers. As he rallied his own corps, he seemed to imply that anyone who questioned the course he had set was exhibiting traitorous weakness.

We have to remake the Middle East, not turn into it.
 
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