pour les fous des armes à feu

[papasmerf]

No TVs there. Not for crimes with guns.
Adding a bunk may result in violation of
federal law.

Don
do you agree that prisions should be a place of comfort?

 

[papasmerf]

You build prisons. Have you seen one that
is a place of comfort? I haven't.

Don

Were it up to me I would bring back prison farms and the 16 hour work day for them. Less violence and fewer repeats

And yes warm, dry, 3 squares, education, medical and sports is pretty comfy.

Work is not required in most jails only free time..


Jus a different corner to hang at.

 

[papasmerf]

Most prisoners I know only get out of the cell for 1 hr/day.

Are you talking about violent or nonviolent criminals?

Depends on the prison

Yes MAX is one hour a day.

 

[Asterix]

Don

Were it up to me I would bring back prison farms and the 16 hour work day for them. Less violence and fewer repeats

And yes warm, dry, 3 squares, education, medical and sports is pretty comfy.

Work is not required in most jails only free time..


Jus a different corner to hang at.

Interesting perspective. How does that jive with the fact that many jails in the US are essentially becoming the new asylums for the mentally ill. You might remember we discussed this before.

 

[papasmerf]

Interesting perspective. How does that jive with the fact that many jails in the US are essentially becoming the new asylums for the mentally ill. You might remember we discussed this before.

Yes some are and that goes to show what happens when you close the assylums.

 

[someone]

Back then, and even more recently, there was a standing militia
ready to be called to arms. Kinda like the ME and the militants
in Iraq today. We now have standing armies. Trained in
individual and unit combat skills.

I’ve never really understood how an armed individual today, who is not part of any larger organization constitutes a “A well regulated Militia”.

 

[papasmerf]

I’ve never really understood how an armed individual today, who is not part of any larger organization constitutes a “A well regulated Militia”.

Well then you should not own a gun.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

I’ve never really understood how an armed individual today, who is not part of any larger organization constitutes a “A well regulated Militia”.

Once they get together with their well armed and regulated buddies, they become the militia.

The next rebellion should be entertaining to watch.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

How do you propose to get a count of the guns on the streets and collect them?

Good question. All I know is doing nothing isn't going to help either.

You may have heard, we had a very successful Run Registry program up here in Canada. Maybe we could tweek it a bit

 

[someone]

Well then you should not own a gun.

I do own one and your response makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[slowpoke]

Good question. All I know is doing nothing isn't going to help either.

You may have heard, we had a very successful Run Registry program up here in Canada. Maybe we could tweek it a bit

How about not allowing people who own handguns to keep them at home? Target shooting types should be required to store their handguns at a safe storage facility right inside the shooting range. That way they don't have to transport them to and from the shooting range (ie: in the glove box of their car) and they are prevented from storing the weapons in their homes where burglars and their own kids can get them. Gun collectors are the worst because they often have dozens of handguns and may not belong to a shooting range. But they should still be required to keep their collections at approved storage facilities instead of their homes or offices.

Approximately half the handguns on Toronto's streets were stolen from legitimate owners. So if we don't ban these guns outright, we have to get the guns away from houses and offices or do something to eliminate handgun thefts. Approved storage facilities at shooting ranges or wherever else they are allowed would have to be VERY secure, like inside a bank vault with armed guards around the clock. It is fine to say "handguns don't kill people - people do". If we really believed that, we would make gun ownership much easier and put the emphasis on responsible ownership - just like we do with cars. Cars don't kill people either - it is the drivers who cause traffic fatalities and it is the drivers who we punish. So we have to pass laws that recognize that keeping guns in houses where they can be stolen is reckless behaviour that won't be tolerated. Same with leaving the keys in your car so some 14 year old punk can steal it and kill people with it. Punish the thief but also punish the negligent car owner who created such a hazardous situation to begin with.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

How about not allowing people who own handguns to keep them at home? Target shooting types should be required to store their handguns at a safe storage facility right inside the shooting range. That way they don't have to transport them to and from the shooting range (ie: in the glove box of their car) and they are prevented from storing the weapons in their homes where burglars and their own kids can get them. Gun collectors are the worst because they often have dozens of handguns and may not belong to a shooting range. But they should still be required to keep their collections at approved storage facilities instead of their homes or offices.

Approximately half the handguns on Toronto's streets were stolen from legitimate owners. So if we don't ban these guns outright, we have to get the guns away from houses and offices or do something to eliminate handgun thefts. Approved storage facilities at shooting ranges or wherever else they are allowed would have to be VERY secure, like inside a bank vault with armed guards around the clock. It is fine to say "handguns don't kill people - people do". If we really believed that, we would make gun ownership much easier and put the emphasis on responsible ownership - just like we do with cars. Cars don't kill people either - it is the drivers who cause traffic fatalities and it is the drivers who we punish. So we have to pass laws that recognize that keeping guns in houses where they can be stolen is reckless behaviour that won't be tolerated. Same with leaving the keys in your car so some 14 year old punk can steal it and kill people with it. Punish the thief but also punish the negligent car owner who created such a hazardous situation to begin with.

Makes sense to me but still doesn't answer how to get the existing guns off the streets.

 

[slowpoke]

Makes sense to me but still doesn't answer how to get the existing guns off the streets.

No it doesn't. It just removes about half of the current supply of guns that have been showing up on the street. We still need more enforcement, undercover police work, youth & school programs etc. - anything to reduce the gun supply and to prevent kids from wanting them in the first place.

 

[frasier]

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security
of a free state, the right of the people to keep and
bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The state has a right to maintain a militia.
How does that give the individual the right
to a private arsenal?

Remember, that at the time this was written, the whole concept of a United States was a very abstract one, at best.
The "Army of George Washington" would be more of a militia by todays standards.

 

[red]

Remember, that at the time this was written, the whole concept of a United States was a very abstract one, at best.
The "Army of George Washington" would be more of a militia by todays standards.

yes they would be labelled unlawful combatants and be locked for years on jersey

 

[frasier]

yes they would be labelled unlawful combatants and be locked for years on jersey

If the Brits would have gotten a hold of some they wouldn't have been executed. There leaders of the revolution would have been hanged if caught, the Brits wouldn't even have bothered putting them in prison or trialed them.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Remember, that at the time this was written, the whole concept of a United States was a very abstract one, at best.
The "Army of George Washington" would be more of a militia by todays standards.

Exactly.

This is why the 2nd Amendment is outdated.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

No it doesn't. It just removes about half of the current supply of guns that have been showing up on the street. We still need more enforcement, undercover police work, youth & school programs etc. - anything to reduce the gun supply and to prevent kids from wanting them in the first place.

I was under the impression many of the guns acquired here are coming up from the U.S.. Without an equally aggressive campaign there, we'll see little change in supply here.

 

[frasier]

Exactly.

This is why the 2nd Amendment is outdated.

I think here we have to agree to disagree.......I just don't agree with the notion that we have evolved to the point where there is no need for the people of a country to defend themselves.

 

[slowpoke]

I was under the impression many of the guns acquired here are coming up from the U.S.. Without an equally aggressive campaign there, we'll see little change in supply here.

The last time I looked this up, about half were smuggled and the other half were stolen from legitimate gun owners. Occasionally, burglars find a whole collection of guns like that guy in Oshawa who had 35 handguns stolen from his apartment or the lawyer who had over a dozen stolen from his office. Having 35 handguns kicking around in your apartment is beyond stupid.

I'd welcome an aggressive campaign to curb smuggled guns too. In mid-June we drove to Buffalo for a flight to Phoenix. Upon our return, the Canadian border guy just wanted our license number and a quick look at our passports. That was it. I used to be happy when they didn't bother to check me at the border but now I'd welcome at least a half-assed attempt to see if I'm being straight with them - like asking a few sharp questions about firearms or drugs and making a quick check of my vehicle or luggage. It's hard to find contraband if it is well hidden but not so hard to poke around and ask questions for a few minutes to see if the vehicle's occupants display signs of panic etc. Our border guy was so disinterested and perfunctory in his approach, I doubt that he'd have noticed Osama carrying an assault rifle in one hand and a IED in the other. The sheer volume of traffic between Canada and the US is another problem. We'd need to add at least 5000 more border guards so we could search more vehicles and ask more questions before we'd make much of a difference. We should also be putting political pressure on the US to tighten up the availability of handguns down there.