Is it right to say most Irish men are drunks? It may be true, but it belittles them to start discussions about it.JohnFK said:
Portuguese Dropouts
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Well, this upcoming World Cup we might not be able to. They'll be too busy rooting for Brazil.JohnFK said:Dont' argue about soccer with a Portuguese
It is all in the opportunity that a person or a group has in society, around 1900 Jews did not have much opportunity. Many went into show biz and some went into the gangs and the mafia. Google Myer Lansky.
There are traits that some ethnics groups have. It is my opinion that Morocan Jews are very hard to deal with and will squeeze every penny out of you. Even some of the non Morocan Jews have the same opinion. As one non Morocan Jew told me. They have earned themselves a reputation for being difficult people in business.
There are traits that some ethnics groups have. It is my opinion that Morocan Jews are very hard to deal with and will squeeze every penny out of you. Even some of the non Morocan Jews have the same opinion. As one non Morocan Jew told me. They have earned themselves a reputation for being difficult people in business.
jews save their pennies. Thats why the gov wont get rid of pennies. They're completely useless, but not to a jew. They think if you save enough of them you'll be rich.
You get rich by not wasting fool! If you have enough pennies you are rich............Fool!
Jews are some of the most honorable and honest negociators, in my experience. Morocan Jews will bargain you down to nothing, if you do not like the deal you can say thank you and walk away.
Jews are some of the most honorable and honest negociators, in my experience. Morocan Jews will bargain you down to nothing, if you do not like the deal you can say thank you and walk away.
Well, here's another "generalization" about Portuguese vs. Italian Construction workers.
The Portuguese take pride in quantity of work accomplished in one day. The Italians take pride the quality of their work.
Seriously, I've worked with both Italians and Portuguese in the trades and the Portuguese crew will form twice as many square feet in a day as the Italian crew, but it will look like shit because they lack finess which the Italians have in spades. At the end of the day, the Portuguese will be all proud that they formed X square feet, but the Italians will be proud that they formed a wall that would make Michael Angelo proud.
The Italian crews - their work will be mint. Straight, tie ins are 100%, they think ahead. In the end, they will save you money because their work is so good.
Sadly, the Italian crews are fading away because young Italians have no intention of working like the old man did - busting his hump from 6 in the morning till 8 at night 6 days a week.
The Portuguese take pride in quantity of work accomplished in one day. The Italians take pride the quality of their work.
Seriously, I've worked with both Italians and Portuguese in the trades and the Portuguese crew will form twice as many square feet in a day as the Italian crew, but it will look like shit because they lack finess which the Italians have in spades. At the end of the day, the Portuguese will be all proud that they formed X square feet, but the Italians will be proud that they formed a wall that would make Michael Angelo proud.
The Italian crews - their work will be mint. Straight, tie ins are 100%, they think ahead. In the end, they will save you money because their work is so good.
Sadly, the Italian crews are fading away because young Italians have no intention of working like the old man did - busting his hump from 6 in the morning till 8 at night 6 days a week.
the italians talk with their hands more than the portuguese too. Ive noticed this. They cant stand still when they're talking.
HAMSTER INSPECTOR said:I would say that this conclusion is somewhat correct, just from my personal observation. I have seen several times where the parents have come to Canada uneducated and had to take meanial jobs such as cleaning offices and homes. I know one case where the father was a parking lot attendant and his son was deeply ashamed of him to a point where he would put his father down and call him a failure. The son is an electrical conrtactor that like to have money and be with money. He would bribe people to get large electrical instalation contracts and go with the lowest bid at the same time. He would pay bribes and go with low bids in order to get the work becuase he could have the prestiege of saying he did very large the electrical for well known location. At the same time that he was NOT making huge amounts of money he lived large and drove to work in a Cadillac Escalade, only to drive home all dusty and dirty because he actualy got down and dirty and did some of the work himself to make his low bid break even. After about 15 years of building his company up to 10 trucks and many electricians he burned himself out becuase he almost never went home and his wife left him. He tried to sell his company but found out that the company itself was only worth what the contracts were worth, which was nothing because his margins were so thin. His small fleet of used trucks were not worth anything because no one wants a eveb slightly used truck that has been in the trades because you will never know what the abuse the truck took. He always looked down on people calling people failures, but to make himeself a fasade of sucess he had to pay the price in hard work and sweat to end up with nothing.
Wow, thanks for sharing. What an interesting story. Yes, there are people like that. A lot of people drive luxury cars but are very poor. It's all about putting up a fake facade to make yourself look successful. Sooner or later the facade will crumble and reveal the true "man" behind it.
Yup
I remember that same article re portuguese drop-outs. Wouldn't worry a bit about it.
These folks tend to work after they drop-out (actually they were probably working 2 jobs before they drop-out), as opposed to other communities. They become entrepreneurs and they definitely contribute.
As a Scotch/Irish (200 plus years in Canada for some of the family) in the western GTA running businesses for the last 30 years, and having worked in various industries, I know which communities contribute to my workforce and which don't.
The Portuguese have definitely supplanted the Italians as far as hard-work and drive go. No dis-respect to the I-ties.
You'd be surprised at who is working in construction sites, farms, etc.
And it ain't us "established" ethnic groups.
Regards
I remember that same article re portuguese drop-outs. Wouldn't worry a bit about it.
These folks tend to work after they drop-out (actually they were probably working 2 jobs before they drop-out), as opposed to other communities. They become entrepreneurs and they definitely contribute.
As a Scotch/Irish (200 plus years in Canada for some of the family) in the western GTA running businesses for the last 30 years, and having worked in various industries, I know which communities contribute to my workforce and which don't.
The Portuguese have definitely supplanted the Italians as far as hard-work and drive go. No dis-respect to the I-ties.
You'd be surprised at who is working in construction sites, farms, etc.
And it ain't us "established" ethnic groups.
Regards
stinkynuts said:
I remember someone telling me a story about this guy. He did a contract for a disco that was owned by a drug dealer. A price was agreed on, but later there were extras that had to be done. Th drug dealer being a loud mouth wannabe nothing scumbag big shot said that he would not pay extra, even though the extras were never discussed or agreed upon. The final solution was that this Portugese contractor would do the extras and pay for materials in exchange he would get to drive the drug dealers Porsche for a week end. This was how liitle he thought of himself. He would exchange 2 days work and materials to drive a Porsche that was out of his reach at the time so that he could temporarily ease his feelings if inferiority.
He drove to the homes and business of everyone her knew, clients, friends, family so that he could honk the horn.
The Portugese are going to be fine. Most groups make intergenerational progress and a serious Portuguese middle class is already emerging in Mississauga not the old College and Grace neighbourhood. It might take a little longer than the highly similar Italians and Greeks because they started farther behind but they are doing better all the time. I worry a lot more about the black kids and the Aboriginal kids who are really spinning their tires without very much traction.
CTV NEWS did a feature on Afrocentric schools last night when they mentioned that the Portuguese dropout rate at 48% is actually higher than the 43% of Afro-Canadians because they drop out early to enter a trade.rosemount36 said:
Not sure if the comparison is valid. Portuguese kids are dropping out because they see a better opportunity in a trade. Are black kids seeing a better opportunity by dropping out too? Or do they see staying in school as futile? And would the Portuguese kids drop out if they didn't have those connections.Mrbig1949 said:
Another question is where did these Portuguese kids get these connections in the first place (i.e. How did so many Portuguese successfully get into the profession to pass on to the next generation)?
Either way both groups are severely limiting themselves without finishing high schoolMrbig1949 said:
The number of jobs available to non-skilled, uneducated workers is going to shrink (along with our manufacturing sector)
The one area worthy of justifying a tax increase is improved education.
Provided it does not just line the pockets of the over-paid teachers union or the trustees, rather ensure more kids graduate & can read & write.
Those drop out rates are disturbingly high and a workforce with a large number of illiterate is not going to help our economy be more productive & grow
We can't all be Management Consultants with MBA's (or in your case Labour NegotiatorsJohnLarue said:
).We need people to do manual labour, including heavy construction and that will never change.
Building concrete forms is a skilled trade and the guys in it can command salaries of 100k or more a year. More than allot of accountants make.
You typically find Portugese in the heavy trades such as labourers, form setting, sewers, watermains, carpentry, brick laying, roofing, etc. None of these are ever going "disappear" like our manufacturing sector has because 1) are you going to import brick walls from China?, 2) People will always need places to live, 3) most of the companies that do this work are local owners, 4) it's not possible to out source
Pretty fucking secure job in my eyes. In this life - it all comes down to turf and that is never going to change. We all want a roof over our heads and someone has to build that roof.
FYI, these are actually skilled trades (other than maybe Labourers). Don't believe me? You try bricking a house. You won't get up more than 4 courses and it will fall over. Never mind what it looks like.
I've worked with the trades all my life and I will tell you that you generally don't find allot of dummies in the trades, especially the guys doing the thinking. (You try repairing a steel bridge that's been smashed by a truck without bringing the whole damn bridge down.)
