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Always always always!
I usually give 5 per and I usually go through at least 3 poppies by the 11th if I'm lucky lol.
I wish that I could actually get to do something with the poppies since I never remember :(...

fuji said:
Sure. It's still ironic.
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Irony or not, I think that you should still pay your respects. JMHO.
 
genintoronto said:
I give money because I do believe in giving back, but I don't like to wear a symbol of the military on my clothes.

It's my compromise for distinguishing the people from the institution.
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The poppy is not actually a symbol of the military.

It is regrettable to me that you prefer not to wear one, and respect the choice, but I hope it is for the right reason.
 
fuji said:
Sure. It's still ironic.

The only real difference between the common poppy that grows in Flanders and the opium poppy is that the latter was bred over time to maximize its opium yield. You would have a hard time telling them apart unless you're a botanist--they look pretty much the same.
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Save of course for the fact that one has red flowers and the other white.
 
Yes, always.

What they are asking usually a dollar or two.

I purchase in bulk and save them, since I am not always in Canada when the Legion* is selling them.





* RCL and RBL poppies are much better than AL poppies.
 
I always wear a Poppy, always.
I give a loonie or twonie.
I usually leave my Poppy on a military monument.

Disappointed in Gen.
 
I always buy at least two a year and yeah the Maple Leaf pin makes em stay on a LOT longer than the old stick pin they alawys seem to use.
 
nolabel said:
Each sentiment is true, in its own way . . . ;)
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I understand how these two statements can seem contradictory. But I think the key word is compromise. Those are hardly ever perfect.

My pacifist values and ethics contradict with the symbols associated with wearing the poppie. It's the same values however that make me give money to support veterans and their families.
 
genintoronto said:
My pacifist values and ethics contradict with the symbols associated with wearing the poppie. It's the same values however that make me give money to support veterans and their families.
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Just messin' with ya on the potential contradiction!

I'm with you on the nature of the compromise you articulate above. When I wear the poppie I do think of the compromises that my own grandparents told me they made in WWII, and the poppie, for me, pays respect to how real people dealt with tough choices and scary situations. But I also think of the poppie, not as 'celebrating' violent conflict, but as marking the end of it. For me, when communities come together to remember the end of armed conflict, I'm hoping it renews in them that thought of 'never again'; that to remember is not to forget. With so much mindless valorization of violence prevalent in (especially western) culture, anything that helps cause a moment of pause can't be a bad thing.

Any other thoughts on what that poppie means to people would be interesting to hear.
 
nolabel said:
Just messin' with ya on the potential contradiction!

I'm with you on the nature of the compromise you articulate above. When I wear the poppie I do think of the compromises that my own grandparents told me they made in WWII, and the poppie, for me, pays respect to how real people dealt with tough choices and scary situations. But I also think of the poppie, not as 'celebrating' violent conflict, but as marking the end of it. For me, when communities come together to remember the end of armed conflict, I'm hoping it renews in them that thought of 'never again'; that to remember is not to forget. With so much mindless valorization of violence prevalent in (especially western) culture, anything that helps cause a moment of pause can't be a bad thing.
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And this would be why I respect those who choose to wear it.
 
Poppies are not worn to show respect for veterans. They are worn to show that we remember the horrors of war. It started after WWI and the mantra was "Never again"... didn't even last a generation, sadly.

Poppies are probably the first pacifist symbol post WWI. And nobody wants peace more than a veteran of a war. Both my grandfathers fought in WWII, and neither one ever said a word about their experiences. One of them had nightmares right up until he died, 50 years later.
 
I buy a poppy every year and always have one stuck into my visor in my car. To think of all the men and women who died so we could remain free daily is something everyone should have in the back of their mind.

Also this helps remind us of the men and women who are in harms way every day we're in afghanistan and iraq (and other countries)......
 
MS4M is partly correct.

In Canada we do not have "veterans day", that is a US bastardization of the holiday. We have "Remembrance day" in Canada, on which day we remember those who died in war, rather than those who fought. Obviously those who fought likely have a special connection with those who died beside them, but it is a day dedicated to the dead, not to veterans.

It's not quite a pacifist event though as it is specifically to remember soldiers who died, rather than all who died.

This specific verse of "In Flanders Fields" is hardly pacifist:

"Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith from us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow,
In Flanders Fields"
 
I'd like to thank everyone for their contributions to the thread and for keeping it civilized. This is kind of an important issue to me. Without completely 'outing' myself, I'd just like to say that those who defend our freedoms (like freedom of expression) can appreciate all ways of demonstrating that expression even if they disagree with the sentiment.

The idea of poppy as the original peace symbol in interesting. The originators in the UK and Canada had just been through the most horrific 4 years imaginable, and were sincere in their desire to end war. That's one thing I remember: that the ones who fought the wars never want to fight another.
 
Perspective

A couple of years ago I was in Ireland around this time, as a proud Canadian I had my Poppy on. I was shocked at the response I got! The first cousin I came across asked me why I was wearing it and the second asked me to remove it before I came into his house. The UMC and the British soldiers wear the poppy and the Irish see it as a symbol of their oppressors. To the Irish it certanly is no sign of peace!

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nolabel said:
Just messin' with ya on the potential contradiction!

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Why ? It was an obvious and legitimate contradiction that should have been called out.
 
Arguing about poppies on the internet happens every year at this time. I think it makes some people happy.
 
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