Yup, the Palestinians are pawns in a chess game between Israel and the rest of the Arab world, and have suffered greatly at the hands of everyone involved. They certainly weren't extended the sort of assistance as refugees that you would expect. They've been kept locked up like animals in refugee camps and denied anything resembling a reasonable life by the *Arabs*.
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The issues the Jordanians have is with the West Bank Palestinians that they annexed in 1949. They also have a sizable population of East Bank Palestinians. They gave all of those Palestinians citizenship as a means of claiming authority there. The Human Rights Watch report clearly states that is is former West Bank Palestinians losing their rights.I think you mean the Jordanians revoked citizenships from Palestinians in Gaza, since it was part of Egypt they claimed why should they be given Jordanian citizenship.
http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2010/02/01/stateless-again-0
You could easily say that Jordan took on responsibility for the West Bank Palestinians when they annexed them in 1949. They gave them citizenship but now because of their own issues they want to abandon them.I am not sure what you mean about having an issue but I will try, the Israeli extreme right wing would have loved nothing more than dumping the Palestinians on to Jordan and then saying "see see they have their own state now, we owe them nothing" so previous to 1967 those refugees from 1948 still wanted to go back to their homes in Israel proper, so the line of thinking is why should we be part of Jordan ( a gift to the Hashemite family carved out of the Ottoman Bilad Al-Sham province by the Brits for their assistance against the Turks)
Of course the extremist Israelis want to move all the Palestinians to Jordan just like factions within the Palestinian and Arab world want to move all of the Jews out of the middle east. Obviously neither is going to happen. Ideally there would be two states and minority rights withing each state would be protected. Any Arabs who wish to remain Israeli under Israeli law could as could any of the nutbar settlers who want to stay in Hebron, both being treated as equals under the law. I somehow don't think that the Palestinians are prepared to accept a Jewish minority in their own states even though Jews were living in Hebron and a few other West Bank places before becoming refugees in the war.
Actually I do hate muslims. Or maybe I just hate Islam. I never hire any. The moment a resume with a muslim name comes across my desk at work, it I toss it. But I do have a multi ethnic hiring policy for all others.Sorry sweetheart....if you want to be a zionist then count yourself in with the crowd that hates Muslim and Blacks. Zionism is nothing but another dreary supremacist ideology and it's ugly results are there to be seen.
If it wasn't, they'd let every Palestinian refugee back to their homes. But they won't because they are the wrong ethnicity and religion. People that believe in equality don't do that.
Go ahead. Test the theory with your fellow zionists.
Didnt Israel take in a whole load of Ethiopian Jews in 1984? They protect their own no matter what color. So I proved you wrong Gryfin.
The lady doth protest too much
I think Gryfin was a s s fucked by a zionist when he was a little boy while he lived in the West Bank, yet he enjoyed it so much it scared him.
SO JUST TO CREEP YOU OUT GRYFIN, IM A FLAG CARRYING CHRISTIAN ZIONIST.
Maybe Ill tatoo a big Z on my forehead like Harry Potter.
I agree that the Palestinians are being exploited by the Islamic world. They are the pointy end of the sword that the Islamic world holds at Israel’s throat.Yup, the Palestinians are pawns in a chess game between Israel and the rest of the Arab world, and have suffered greatly at the hands of everyone involved. They certainly weren't extended the sort of assistance as refugees that you would expect. They've been kept locked up like animals in refugee camps and denied anything resembling a reasonable life by the *Arabs*.
The Islamic world has a vested interest in perpetuating the problem. They give the Palestinians money and weapons to continue the fight. No Islamic country will take in Palestinian refugees. The Palestinian children are brainwashed into thinking it’s their duty to kill as many Jews as possible and keep fighting forever. There will never be peace as long as the current situation is allowed to continue.
The Palestinians are pawns in the bigger chess game and I do feel sorry for them to a certain extent. Their situation is not all their fault. When Israel retaliates, it’s the Palestinians who are on the receiving end.
For what it’s worth, I’ve always said that the Israelis are no saints. I don’t see this conflict as black and white. The Jews have done lots of bad things and have been very heavy handed on many cases.The world isnt black and white like Gryfin and Cinema Face like to believe.
I maintain that that Israel has the right to exist and the right to defend itself.
Proved me wrong? On the contrary, you proved me right. They were the right religion.Didnt Israel take in a whole load of Ethiopian Jews in 1984? They protect their own no matter what color. So I proved you wrong Gryfin.
Like I said, zionists are not the sharpest pencils.
How very white of you.Actually I do hate muslims. Or maybe I just hate Islam. I never hire any. The moment a resume with a muslim name comes across my desk at work, it I toss it. But I do have a multi ethnic hiring policy for all others.
Is that the best you can do?Proved me wrong? On the contrary, you proved me right. They were the right religion.
Like I said, zionists are not the sharpest pencils.
Pathetic.
Well, you have to admit that you made it oh so easy.Is that the best you can do?
Pathetic.
The Arabs have proven that they are willing to live in Israel as there are over a million of them as citizens of that country, the nutjobs in Hebron I dont have much faith in. These arent run of the mill average moderate Jews, but mostly people who think that an invisible man in the sky became a real estate holder and gave them that land, when they come up against the Palestinians who also believe in that same man in the sky, there is gonna be trouble. Two wacko crazy minority groups that will cause the majority a disaster.The issues the Jordanians have is with the West Bank Palestinians that they annexed in 1949. They also have a sizable population of East Bank Palestinians. They gave all of those Palestinians citizenship as a means of claiming authority there. The Human Rights Watch report clearly states that is is former West Bank Palestinians losing their rights.
http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2010/02/01/stateless-again-0
You could easily say that Jordan took on responsibility for the West Bank Palestinians when they annexed them in 1949. They gave them citizenship but now because of their own issues they want to abandon them.
Of course the extremist Israelis want to move all the Palestinians to Jordan just like factions within the Palestinian and Arab world want to move all of the Jews out of the middle east. Obviously neither is going to happen. Ideally there would be two states and minority rights withing each state would be protected. Any Arabs who wish to remain Israeli under Israeli law could as could any of the nutbar settlers who want to stay in Hebron, both being treated as equals under the law. I somehow don't think that the Palestinians are prepared to accept a Jewish minority in their own states even though Jews were living in Hebron and a few other West Bank places before becoming refugees in the war.
And can we stop with this "caged animals" nonsense of the Palestinians living in other Arab countries, outside of Lebanon and its sectarian troubles the Palestinians in Syria, Egypt and Jordan have full citizenship and "rights" (as much as they can be called rights in those countries) A stroll outside of Damascus and you come across one of the nicest and well to do markets in a so called refugee camp.
Scouser, despite having different takes on many things, I can respect your opinion even when I disagree with it. If you have read my posts, you could dispense with your garbage about religious justification as I am just as much a non-believer than you. I have also not discussed caged animals, just that often the Palestinians are treated as badly or worse by the Arabs than they are by the Israelis. If you accept the Human Rights Watch condemnations of Israeli actions, you should also accept that Jordan deserves to be criticized as well (not to mention Lebanon).
Israel is a much better place than many make it out to be and a worse place than others claim. The Arab Israelis seem to get along well enough in Israel despite their different views on their invisible men. I see no reason why we shouldn't expect the Palestinians to provide for any non-Palestinians who have had a continual history of living in Hebron for recorded history (excepting the period from 1930-1967 when they were forced out - and yes, it was those super-religious Jews who lived in Hebron all these time under Ottoman rule). If Israel can handle having some super-religious Muslims as citizens, Palestinians should be able to handle some super-religious Jews, as long as the nuts on both sides remember that they choose to live under other laws. If you are for rights, it should be for rights. If you want a solution, you should agree that there needs to be a solution considered fair for all involved. No side should expect that all of their own demands will be provided for.
Israel is a much better place than many make it out to be and a worse place than others claim. The Arab Israelis seem to get along well enough in Israel despite their different views on their invisible men. I see no reason why we shouldn't expect the Palestinians to provide for any non-Palestinians who have had a continual history of living in Hebron for recorded history (excepting the period from 1930-1967 when they were forced out - and yes, it was those super-religious Jews who lived in Hebron all these time under Ottoman rule). If Israel can handle having some super-religious Muslims as citizens, Palestinians should be able to handle some super-religious Jews, as long as the nuts on both sides remember that they choose to live under other laws. If you are for rights, it should be for rights. If you want a solution, you should agree that there needs to be a solution considered fair for all involved. No side should expect that all of their own demands will be provided for.
Then I suppose that you have no problem with this:SO JUST TO CREEP YOU OUT GRYFIN, IM A FLAG CARRYING CHRISTIAN ZIONIST.
Maybe Ill tatoo a big Z on my forehead like Harry Potter.
"Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
News stories about young Jewish bigots in the Old City spitting on Christian clergy – who make conspicuous targets in their long dark robes and crucifix symbols around their necks – surface in the media every few years or so. It’s natural, then, to conclude that such incidents are rare, but in fact they are habitual. Anti-Christian Orthodox Jews, overwhelmingly boys and young men, have been spitting with regularity on priests and nuns in the Old City for about 20 years, and the problem is only getting worse."
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/12/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them/
I find it so funny every time you say that because it simply betrays the fact that you are blind to reality. I find your posts generally pathetic but at least every now and then I get a chuckle. Keep up this line of argument. it has worked wonders so far for the Palestinians.Proved me wrong?Like I said, zionists are not the sharpest pencils.
Nothing will dumb you down like zionism. To support it, you have to park your mind in the corner. You have to abandon fundamental notions of equality. You have to develop a sense of entitlement that is so inflated that it justifies just about any injustice visited upon others done in its name.I find it so funny every time you say that because it simply betrays the fact that you are blind to reality. I find your posts generally pathetic but at least every now and then I get a chuckle. Keep up this line of argument. it has worked wonders so far for the Palestinians.
So, Gryfin, do you support the killing of Israeli civilians by Palestinians?justifies just about any injustice visited upon others done in its name.
Seriously why don't you just answer the question.
Really? You mean they can return to their homes in Israel and Israel would not stop them? You mean they can reclaim all of their seized assets?The premise of your statement is flawed. The innocent Palestinians have been kept in refugee camps by their Arab brothers, for their own political purposes.
I think you've been reading too many Hillel sites. That's usually the kind of scripted answers they provide for people like you.
Why does anyone even bother with gryffy.
If you debate gryffy, in a wierd sort of way you are playing his game. The only possible reason I can see debating this racist antisemite loser is for the entertainment and humour factor. If you are seriously debating him thinking he will ever comprehend reality, you might just be waiting a very long time.
Putting him on ignore will surely diminish the entertainment factor around here. The only reason for actually reading his garbage is to be able to monitor the level of antisemitism that seems to be on the rise not only in Canada, but aroung the civilized world.
People like gryffy are so mired in hate are doomed to be killed by hate, figuretively speaking. Can you just imagine his personal life. Gryffy comes home from a hard day at whatever gryffy does. Wife, children (hopefully not) ask, how was your day. Can you imagine his response.. Well, during lunch hour, I was on a hooker review board spreading the truth about those awful zionist jews. Got some real good zingers in on those palastinian killing torturing jooos. Tomorrow, I am going to shatter their world by showing them those zionist Israeli jooos are not only trying to dominate the whole middle east, but that the Elders of Zion are cooking a plot for world supremacy..
Stay tuned.
If you debate gryffy, in a wierd sort of way you are playing his game. The only possible reason I can see debating this racist antisemite loser is for the entertainment and humour factor. If you are seriously debating him thinking he will ever comprehend reality, you might just be waiting a very long time.
Putting him on ignore will surely diminish the entertainment factor around here. The only reason for actually reading his garbage is to be able to monitor the level of antisemitism that seems to be on the rise not only in Canada, but aroung the civilized world.
People like gryffy are so mired in hate are doomed to be killed by hate, figuretively speaking. Can you just imagine his personal life. Gryffy comes home from a hard day at whatever gryffy does. Wife, children (hopefully not) ask, how was your day. Can you imagine his response.. Well, during lunch hour, I was on a hooker review board spreading the truth about those awful zionist jews. Got some real good zingers in on those palastinian killing torturing jooos. Tomorrow, I am going to shatter their world by showing them those zionist Israeli jooos are not only trying to dominate the whole middle east, but that the Elders of Zion are cooking a plot for world supremacy..
Stay tuned.
In fact all I have to is accept the right of Israel to exist in peace and within secure borders and that its people will not walk voluntarily off into the sea. The failure to embrace this concept for 60 years has stood in the way of Palestinian autonomy and its own sovereign state. Not very complicated except to you and your fellow travelers, including moats Arab countries who have exploited the Palestinians for their own ends.Nothing will dumb you down like zionism. To support it, you have to park your mind in the corner. You have to abandon fundamental notions of equality. You have to develop a sense of entitlement that is so inflated that it justifies just about any injustice visited upon others done in its name.
You obviously do not understand the concept of refugees.Really? You mean they can return to their homes in Israel and Israel would not stop them? You mean they can reclaim all of their seized assets?
I think you've been reading too many Hillel sites. That's usually the kind of scripted answers they provide for people like you.
