Polygamy the new trend in canada

[superman]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=1156413

pathetic..on a logical and emotional level

the girls are totally disrespected in this practice

 

[alexmst]

If a guy can afford two wives, and his culture/religion supports multiple wives, and the women are okay with it, then what is the problem?

Personally I wouldn't want more than one wife, but it seems some people do so if Mormons, etc want to have three wives and the women get along in this shared relationship because they also share those beliefs, no harm done.

Of course it is wrong to force/brainwash teenagers in a cult to marry older cult members, but if a group of adults wants to live in a shared marriage and are happy to do so, I'm not throwig any stones.

 

[TheNiteHwk]

Two or three wives and let's say 1/2 dozen kids... OK maybe.

20 wives and 100 children.... ah.... a whole different kettle of fish.

I mean Seriously... think about it...

Just a little food for thought.

 

[S.C. Joe]

If a guy can afford two wives, and his culture/religion supports multiple wives, and the women are okay with it, then what is the problem?

I had to copy this from another site...this Polygamy was talk about a few days ago..I'm not posting the link...these are not my words......

Ever seen "Raise the Red Lantern"?

He assumes that polygamy is entered into such that all in the relationship have equal say and status in the relationship. That is divorcing the concept from the reality of execution.

In a society where men of social esteem and wealth and therefore power get the privilege of multiple wives, the women are not seen as partners they are seen as commodities.

As far as it happens in real life, what happens is that inevitably the man ends up have a favorite or favorites, who he treats better than others. And then there is the question of inheritance; how do you split property between multiple sets of children?

The Chinese had this system: First Wife, if she bears a son, is assured of inheritance for her sons, no matter what. She also gets to rule the household affairs and her point of view is what matters.

All other wives are on forbearance based on their sexual attractiveness to the husband and whether or not they have borne sons.

And when you are without a son and without sexual attraction for the man, you are doomed to servitude and disrespect.

And that's if you shut up and take the system. Ugly things happen when women logically begin to jockey for position within the household.

Empress Wu rose to rulership from mere minor concubine level by seducing the Emperor and then began a political campaign where she banished and killed off all of the women ahead of her in rank by poisoning or framing for crimes; the empress, the first two ranking concubines, their children. When the emperor's female relatives began to move against her, she killed off her sister-in-law and the Emperor's mother.

She secured position as empress and then began to guarantee power for herself and her sons by killing off her nephews, the Emperor's male relatives. She continued to kill off any other concubines who gained the interest of the Emperor. She drove the Emperor to nervous breakdown and then he died from the subsequent ill health. When she decided that it would be better for her to rule, she then started killing off sons who got too ambitious.

Polygamy is just a huge recipe for women on woman crime, on top of general neglect and manipulation by the patriarchal heads that espouse polygamy

 

[Anynym]

Does anyone happen to understand the difference between the term "Bigamy" and "Polygamy"? Because as near as I can tell, what should be charged in this case is Bigamy. And under the Criminal Code, Bigamy involves multiple marriages. Polygamy involves "fooling around" with multiple partners, but has nothing to do with marriage - in fact, if you're having an affair, it would appear to be polygamy (but not necessarily bigamy) under the Criminal Code of Canada.

Can anyone authoritiatively clarify?

 

[onthebottom]

But I like Big Love......

OTB

 

[torontojohn]

I believe I'd be happier with two wives. The main issue would be finding two women willing to be married to me and each other.

Unfortunately, such an arrangement would cost me my current family, so I'll never get the chance to find out that I'd never find two such women.

 

[S.C. Joe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy


The term polygamy (a Greek word meaning "the practice of multiple marriage") is used in related ways in social anthropology, sociobiology, and sociology. Polygamy can be defined as any "form of marriage in which a person [has] more than one spouse."

 

[I Claudius]

It's ironic that a guy having 25 mistresses (not living with him) is not breaking any laws, but if he marries them all and thereby accepts some level of responsibility for them, it's illegal. Or do I misunderstand the law ?

 

[Lustology]

Polygamy for the win!!!!!!!!

Everybody has a mistress anyways, look at the divorce rate in canada....

It makes sense, treat them equally and if there is a mutual understanding between the consenting adults, than whats the farking problem????

 

[Prim0]

Polygamy misconception...

Most of us guys probably look favorably on the possiblility of two women to have sex with....

The problem is that you'll also have twice the nagging, bitching and other negatives that fill up the other 23hours of the day.

 

[landscaper]

The prohibition against polygamy or polandry for that matter probably comes from the fact thaty Canada and the States were basically settled by Western Europeans ie ( British, Scots, Irish ) etc. The Roman Catholic Church as welkl as the Church of England have prohibited multiple marriges for centuries and it was included into our criminal code as a matter of course.

The big difference between polygamy/polandry and bigami is that in a bigamous relationship all parties might not be aware of the situation.

The governments big concern and the reason that this has festered for the last 20 odd years is there is a religious angle to this that could open the floodgates to multiple marriges in the cultures where it is an accepted practice. Imagine the social services quagmire when somebody arrives with 4 wives 7 kids and inlaws from everyone.

The other issue is that the general population of most of Canada would be unlikely to accept the result of a charter challange that will result from a succsesfull prosecution, that would require a not withstanding order and the fun would really bigin.

Personally I don't really have a problem provided everybody is fully informed and making their own choices, that is apparantly an issue in Bountiful right now. Incest is another issue in this case because of the small population base.

 

[Aircraft]

Does anyone happen to understand the difference between the term "Bigamy" and "Polygamy"? Because as near as I can tell, what should be charged in this case is Bigamy. And under the Criminal Code, Bigamy involves multiple marriages. Polygamy involves "fooling around" with multiple partners, but has nothing to do with marriage - in fact, if you're having an affair, it would appear to be polygamy (but not necessarily bigamy) under the Criminal Code of Canada.

Can anyone authoritiatively clarify?

Well, a bigamist is someone who marries someone who is already married to someone else. A polygamist is someone who marries someone who is not married to someone else.

 

[TheShadow]

I'm pretty sure that a bigamist is just a 'fog over Italy.'

 

[Anynym]

Well, a bigamist is someone who marries someone who is already married to someone else. A polygamist is someone who marries someone who is not married to someone else.

Let me try again.

Both Bigamy and Polygamy are covered under Chapter VIII of the Criminal Code of Canada, which deals with Offences Against the Person and Reputation, starting from S.290.

Bigamy, generally, is defined as while being married, going through a form of marriage with another person (or marrying more than one person simultaneously).

Polygamy, S.293, is discussed thus:

(1) Every one who

(a) practises or enters into or in any manner agrees or consents to practise or enter into

(i) any form of polygamy, or

(ii) any kind of conjugal union with more than one person at the same time,

whether or not it is by law recognized as a binding form of marriage, or

(b) celebrates, assists or is a party to a rite, ceremony, contract or consent that purports to sanction a relationship mentioned in subparagraph (a)(i) or (ii),

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

Note again, as I indicated earlier, that Bigamy is defined in terms of multiple marriages (which is the case in BC), while Polygamy does not require a marriage (just a "conjugal union" with more than one person simultaneously).

I would also note that despite "popular" definitions of the term, the Criminal Code doesn't differentiate based on whether everyone is aware of the situation (although lack of awareness can be a defense). It isn't about bigamy being "two wives" versus polygamy being "three or more" wives.

So I ask again, can anyone authoritatively clarify why the current case has charged Polygamy instead of Bigamy? And what removes S.293 from being applied to the behaviour of many individuals who have an affair while married?