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GPIDEAL

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And another article.

Seems like they can pull you over if they think you committed a traffic violation or offence, but does that give them additional rights to search your vehicle?

Can police legally pull me over just to check something?

Jason Tchir
Published Tuesday, Apr. 12, 2016 05:00AM EDT
Last updated Monday, Apr. 11, 2016 12:14PM EDT
I was returning from a snowmobile trip when an officer followed me and then stopped me in Collingwood, Ont. He said he was checking to see if I had a proper truck safety and trailer safety for the tandem trailer I was towing. I didn't. I didn't know about the rules as the trailer was new. I got a ticket for the truck and one for the trailer. Under the Charter, can he stop me on speculation? - Kevin

A police stop doesn’t necessarily mean they’re profiling you - even though they might be.

“They can’t pull you over for racial profiling or just on a whim,” said Ottawa criminal lawyer David Anber. “But they have a lot of latitude to say they’re checking the licence, registration and insurance status, mechanical fitness of the vehicle or the sobriety of the driver.”

In 1990, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled 5-4 that random traffic stops do not violate a person’s Charter rights as long as police are checking for those three specific things.

“There’s also a fourth category: if they've observed you committing an offence,” Anber said. “And there’s a whole variety of things they can nail you for.”

In the Supreme Court case, police pulled over an Ontario driver. They didn’t suspect he’d broken the law when they decided to pull him over. During the stop, they found that his licence was suspended.

There have been cases where it was ruled police had profiled drivers, Anber said. In 2003, an appeals judge held that race was a factor when police pulled over Toronto Raptor Dee Brown.

Proof of profiling?

If you’re pulled over by police, you could argue in court that they were violating your Charter rights by stopping you for the wrong reasons. But it could be tough to prove. And traffic court might not be the place to do it, Anber said.

“You could bring a challenge to anything,” Anber said. “But there is a bit of a common sense view in the provincial offences courts as (Justices of the Peace) are reluctant to make these findings of law.”

If a police officer has been following you for 10 km, “chances are he saw something he wanted to investigate,” Anber said.

To show that you were targeted for some other reason, you’d need evidence, Anber said,

“That could be scrutinized against any recording with dispatch,” Anber said. “If the officer says something egregious like ‘I’m going to light this guy up,’ then you may have a case.”

If you’re pulled over, pull over

What do you have to do when police signal you to pull over? Specific rules vary by province. In Ontario, section 216 of the HTA says you must immediately come to a safe stop when pulled over by police.

If you don’t, you could face a fine between $1,000 and $10,000 and up to six months in jail. If it turns into a chase, fines could be as high as $25,000.

When you’ve been pulled over, you’re legally required to show your licence, vehicle registration and insurance. But, you’re not legally required to answer questions beyond that - although polite cooperation might get you on your way with just a warning.

“It really depends on the reason you’ve been pulled over,” Anber says. “If somebody is pulled over during a RIDE program, the best thing is to hand over your licence and remain silent - anything you say can be used against you.”

In an e-mail statement, Ontario’s Ministry of Transportation (MTO) said police and MTO enforcement officers can stop any vehicle at any time to make sure the driver is complying with the Highway Traffic Act (HTA) and the Compulsory Automobile Insurance Act.

Inspection rules confusing

That includes having an inspection sticker for some trucks and trailers. The set fine for not having one is $200 plus $40 in fees.

So how do you know if your truck and your snowmobile or ATV trailer need to be inspected? Because pickup trucks are considered commercial vehicles even if you’re not using them for business, things can get extremely confusing.

Under the HTA, your truck and trailer must be inspected at a Motor Vehicle Inspection Station if the truck has a registered gross weight greater than 4,500 kg - or if “in the combination with the trailer, the commercial vehicle has a registered gross weight or manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating greater than 4500 kg,” the MTO said.

The set fine for not having one is $200 plus $40 in fees.
 

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@ OP, email the Globe and Mail your question

Have a driving question? Send it to globedrive@globeandmail.com. Canada’s pretty big, so let us know where you are so we can find the answer for your city and province.
 

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I think this answers the question that you can't search your car for a cell phone (talking on a cell phone is not a crime, per se) => http://svan.ca/police-rights/

Excerpt:

Can the police search my car?

If your car has been stopped by the police to check your sobriety, the mechanical condition of the car, or your licence, registration or insurance, the police cannot search your car. They are, however, allowed to look in the windows of your car, and may use a flashlight to do this if it is nighttime.

The police are only allowed to search your car if they have reasonable and probable grounds to believe that there are illegal drugs or alcohol or evidence relating to the commission of a crime in the car. They must also believe that the evidence, drugs or alcohol would be removed or destroyed if they were to get a search warrant.

When can the police search me?

In most cases, the police can only search you only if you have been placed under arrest or if you have consented to the search. However, there are exceptions. These include:

If the police find you in a place where they are searching for drugs, and they have reason to believe that you have drugs.
The police find you in a vehicle where people are transporting or drinking alcohol illegally, and they believe that you have alcohol.
The police believe that you have an illegal weapon or one that was used to commit a crime, and suspect that it might be removed or destroyed in the time it would take to get a search warrant.
If the police search you for any of these reasons, you must allow the search. If you believe that you have been wrongly searched, tell the police that you object to the search, and speak to a lawyer afterwards about your concerns.

If the police search you in relation to one offence, and find evidence that you may have committed another offence, you can be charged in relation to the second offence.

For example, if they search you on suspicion of having drugs, but find an illegal weapon, you can be charged with possession of the illegal weapon.
 

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Yeah, but the phone is now seized and unavailable to prove you were not using it at the time the cop says she saw you driving distractedly — or whatever the offence was....
But you'd have to be arrested first which would not apply in this case.
 

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. “If somebody is pulled over during a RIDE program, the best thing is to hand over your licence and remain silent - anything you say can be used against you.”
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So open the car window a small amount, pass them your licence, and remain silent when they ask you if you have been drinking. Would be interesting to see how that goes.

Thought there was some rule where the cops at RIDE could not ask for your licence and insurance unless you are being charged.
 

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Hey all.

A buddy of mine has been pulled over twice in recent months for using his cell phone while driving.
Thought that being charged with using a hand held device was similar to a parking ticket, where if you go to court, the onus is on you to prove you are innocent. Don't know why the cop would bother searching the car, unless the driver encouraged it.

Form on fighting traffic tickets
http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/hand-held-devices-f90/
 

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Sounds like a case of cops needing to issues tickets to make their revenue quota.

Anything to make a buck.
 

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They cannot however, force you to provide a password.
They can ask you to provide the password if they have probable cause and if you refuse can you be charged with obstruction of justice?
 

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I agree with #2, but here is some information I found on #1. You do have to be caught using it.
Your link is old
Basically 1 court made a ruling that was later overturned
The original point stands
As of today the act of physically touching the device is the crime
Irrelevant whether you used it
 

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They can ask you to provide the password if they have probable cause and if you refuse can you be charged with obstruction of justice?
I doubt it.....they can get a warrant to search it after you've been arrested, and send it to get unlocked.

If you have nothing to hide, you'll probably have an easier ride if you unlocked it.
 

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They can ask you to provide the password if they have probable cause and if you refuse can you be charged with obstruction of justice?
Never
If you refuse to provide password the worst they can do is confiscate phone then ask a judge to get warrant to unlock
 

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Wow.....that's the first I've seen this, and seems a little much!
I agree
I had a conviction for "touching" a phone and argued it in court
We had 5 dates to argue it out plus 2 dates where no time
My ticket took nearly 24 month before I was officially guilty

I understand the argument touching can be distracting (eg looking at cell phone map or reading an existing email)
But it is bs and is just to make it easier to cops to get convictions
 

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i think cops can search your car otherwise anyone pulled over for distracted driving could toss the phone under their seat.
 

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i think cops can search your car otherwise anyone pulled over for distracted driving could toss the phone under their seat.

From my previous post:

Here is my understanding of the laws regarding cell phone use, vehicle and personal searches.


1. The police officer has to witness you actually using your cellphone, or having pulled you over for erratic driving, asks you if you were using your cellphone and you say yes. Either of those is sufficient grounds on their own to lay the HTA charge.

2. In furtherance of his investigation into distracted driving, a police officer has no right to search you or your vehicle for your cell phone, nor demand that you produce your cellphone, nor search the contents of your cellphone without a warrant.

The HTA does not grant powers to search a vehicle nor your person.

And the cops do not need to verify or find a handheld device to lay the HTA charge. The police officer has to personally witness you touching your device. His witnessing the act is all the evidence required to lay the charge.

His sworn testimony of seeing you commit the act is enough evidence to convict you. Unless of course you can discredit his sworn testimony and/or your testimony of alternate facts is more compelling than his testimony.
 
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