police defunding explained
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"Defund the police" is a piss poor slogan if it actually means what Oliver claims it does.
Basic messaging needs a bit of work.
I highly doubt many protesters agree with Oliver. They have a more... shall we say, literal interpretation.
Anyhow "defund the police" is an epic PR fail no matter how you look at it.
Basic messaging needs a bit of work.
I highly doubt many protesters agree with Oliver. They have a more... shall we say, literal interpretation.
Anyhow "defund the police" is an epic PR fail no matter how you look at it.
I don’t think it about PR. It was born more out of anger and frustration but not practicality. Even reinvesting into social programs is a hard sell because people in the US who vote, so so for those who promise lower taxes. Even when those politicians only lower taxes for the 1%.
People like to be lied to.
People like to be lied to.
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Hasn't this already been tried, just called something different like after school programs,summer camps,public housing,adult education programs to upgrade work skills.
Blah,blah,blah. These programs only work for a very small group who are serious about improving themselves. It will be more money flushed down the toilet.
Sounds like increase funding not defunding.Especially if they start having mental health workers riding along with cops. What's that health worker going to do when a unstable patient comes at them with a gun or knife? Oh yeah,run to the cops. Then the first mental health worker who gets killed in the line of duty,more shit will hit the fan and more bureaucrats will want more money for more newer ideas.
Blah,blah,blah. These programs only work for a very small group who are serious about improving themselves. It will be more money flushed down the toilet.
Sounds like increase funding not defunding.Especially if they start having mental health workers riding along with cops. What's that health worker going to do when a unstable patient comes at them with a gun or knife? Oh yeah,run to the cops. Then the first mental health worker who gets killed in the line of duty,more shit will hit the fan and more bureaucrats will want more money for more newer ideas.
You think mental health workers have not been killed in the line of duty? The point being made is, mental health programs were slashed and this resulted in more crime and other issues, which resulted in much higher policing and justice costs as well as more violence. So the Defund the Police would be reversing the Defund Mental Health that was done by shitheads like Mike Harris.
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This might make some cities rethink this foolish idea :
https://nypost.com/2020/06/13/truckers-wouldnt-deliver-to-cities-that-defund-police-poll/
"Truckers are promising to bring freight deliveries to a screeching halt in any city that cuts or disbands its police department, a new poll shows.
Three out of four long-haul drivers told CDL News, a website for the commercial trucking industry, that they would fear for their personal safety if a city slashed its number of cops in response to the demonstrations nationwide against police brutality.
Trucking ranks consistently as one of the most dangerous jobs nationwide, labor statistics show. In 2018, the occupation topped the list, followed by construction workers, farmers and ranchers, groundkeepers and miscellaneous agricultural employees.
Long-haul drivers have been on the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic as stay-at-homes have forced millions of Americans to buy virtually everything online.
CDLLife took the poll on the CDLLife mobile app."
https://nypost.com/2020/06/13/truckers-wouldnt-deliver-to-cities-that-defund-police-poll/
"Truckers are promising to bring freight deliveries to a screeching halt in any city that cuts or disbands its police department, a new poll shows.
Three out of four long-haul drivers told CDL News, a website for the commercial trucking industry, that they would fear for their personal safety if a city slashed its number of cops in response to the demonstrations nationwide against police brutality.
Trucking ranks consistently as one of the most dangerous jobs nationwide, labor statistics show. In 2018, the occupation topped the list, followed by construction workers, farmers and ranchers, groundkeepers and miscellaneous agricultural employees.
Long-haul drivers have been on the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic as stay-at-homes have forced millions of Americans to buy virtually everything online.
CDLLife took the poll on the CDLLife mobile app."
"defund police" is like the word "socialism"
it can mean a lot of things depending on who you talking to; John Oliver's definition is not what the BLMs, CHAZ or Antifa protestors are asking for, they will never accept anything other than abolition
it can mean a lot of things depending on who you talking to; John Oliver's definition is not what the BLMs, CHAZ or Antifa protestors are asking for, they will never accept anything other than abolition
Good point. We do these things and they work, and they should continue. Overall crime continues its downward trend over the decades. The "defund the police" rhetoric is entirely misguided and brings nothing new to the table other than hate for police.
I would support changes to agencies responsible for police oversight. They need to remain impartial and transparent so the public can access information (require timely police service disclosure requests), report complaints about police conduct, and support legal action in cases that have merit.
Have you thought about the fire department's response in the non policed areas? EMS? Garbage pick up? Utilities and the public/private infrastructure maintenance? You want to see how it looks like? Remember Detroit in 80s and 90s? That, 100x worse. In no time such areas will become vacated by employers and employees, businesses and institutions- no tax base, no services. Nothing will remain except nuts, criminals and junkies.
It's a great example of the most ridiculous aspects of the right and the left. The mid-left pick a stupid name that requires an explanation (like...what was Hilary Clinton's slogan? Trumps so much pithier and requires no additional explanation), and that allows the right to crucify them. So dumb politicking with the name, maybe reform the police or reallocate or something less susceptible to misinterpretation.
Far left fringe just kumbaya looney to end police forces full stop. Bring position, but, that opens the door to...
The right to deliberately mislead people as to what it means, painting it as the end of civilisation.
Far left fringe just kumbaya looney to end police forces full stop. Bring position, but, that opens the door to...
The right to deliberately mislead people as to what it means, painting it as the end of civilisation.
Defunding the police is clear enough description. It's the media and the political left that's running "interference" trying to "clarify" it. The BLM and ANTIFA are very clear what defunding means.
Not that people instinctively opposed will look at it but there is a good piece on Camden New Jersey, formerly one of the most dangerous cities in the US and it's experiences after defunding their police.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/disband-police-camden-new-jersey-trnd/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/disband-police-camden-new-jersey-trnd/index.html
They didn't defund it. They disbanded the old force and busted the union to slash the salaries. The new police force is DOUBLE the size of the previous force thanks to the pay reduction. Of course the crime will go down when you put twice the number of cops on the street.
And that is the point that Fox news is telling you to ignore. What Camden did fits well into the discussions about defunding. The defund movement is about restructuring police enforcement, not creating anarchy.
General views are to take some of the money spent on police responding to cases where police aren't needed and spend it on social workers or support that can help in those issues. In all those cases where a cop is called because two neighbours are yelling at each other, all the cop can do is ask them to stop yelling and to call if any crimes are broken. How about instead of sending two cops, send one cop with social worker trained in conflict resolution. Same goes for domestic violence. I'm sure cops hate going on those kinds of calls anyway. One stat I saw said that these non-criminal calls account for something like 2/3 of all calls police respond to.
The other part of it is to take the money police spend on military equipment and use it to support programs that help prevent crime (or elsewhere in the city budget).
Defunding- withdrawing funds. The BLM does not want restructuring, they want abolition and nothing else. The lefties and their surrogates in the media are running the interference by trying to "translate" the meaning of defunding- it's bullshit. Camden did not defund, they're spending the same amount(or more) at lower pay for twice the number of the boots on the ground. Sorry, it doesn't fit your spin. Btw, my info on Camden comes from AlJazeera, before it has been politicized by the CNN, etc.
Show me some proof this is true and not just the paranoid delusions of a racist...no one believes in zero police other then the anarchists. But many believe its easier to blow up the current entrenched police forces and rebuild on a clean slate with new culture, lower pay and different policing priorities.
