Poilievre backs banning trans women from women's sports, change rooms and bathrooms

[richaceg]

Yeah, BEFORE they transition. And transition can take many forms.

You can read more here. And I fully expect you to turn a blind eye to what is posted here and come back with an absolutely dumb and unintelligent response to this. Hope I am wrong lol.

What Do I Need to Know About the Transitioning Process?

Transgender people experience transitioning differently. Some transition socially, legally & medically, some only socially & some may not do any of these.

www.plannedparenthood.org

Transitioning is about making changes so that you can live in your gender identity. These changes can include changing your name or getting gender-affirming medical care. People often transition to reduce gender dysphoria and/or increase gender euphoria.

Well, normal people don't go through that....Normal people go about their ways and deal with life normally....Normal people don't have a mismatch in "gender identity" So what's normal about being trans? any person straight gay lesbian who suffers depression aren't normal either...If you need something altered in your life to become normal, you are not normal...

Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life

 

[Frankfooter]

Well, normal people don't go through that....Normal people go about their ways and deal with life normally....Normal people don't have a mismatch in "gender identity" So what's normal about being trans? any person straight gay lesbian who suffers depression aren't normal either...If you need something altered in your life to become normal, you are not normal...

Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life

Why are you against them getting treatment that works?

 

[richaceg]

Why are you against them getting treatment that works?

IMO counselling works, most outgrow their gender dysphoria after puberty....what type of treatment are you talking about?

 

[squeezer]

I don't understand why so many get themselves wound up so tight over something that doesn't affect their own lives. FUCK, righties who scream freedom are always the first to tell others what they should and should not do.

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

I read all this and can't help but wonder, how is it ok to give up on some people and assist them with dying? After all euthanasia is legal in Canada and seems like it'll soon apply to mental disorders.
If life is so unbearable for people with gender dysphoria, then thanks to Mr.Trudeau and his government one can ask for help to end the suffering.
Why are we trying so hard to save all the trans people while giving up on the rest??
Many people simply need psychological help, no surgeries required, but it's not exactly covered by OHIP.

 

[Darts]

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

Its ridiculous. So a trans woman uses a bathroom, to pee, and these guys have a problem with someone using a bathroom lol. They immediately think dick, as if women havent seen dick before in their lives lol. I am willing to bet most women have seen more dicks than men have lmfao. And it is freedom as long as someone is doing or saying what they want them to say or do. lol.

To receive medical assistance with dying, the person needs to be of sound mental condition. They need to be able to make the decision consciously and independently and can change it till the last second. People with mental disorders cannot request or be approved for medically assisted deaths. It is also not as immoral as you think it is. Some people want to go out on their own terms. Especially in cases of painful, terminal illnesses.

And why shouldn't trans people be taken care of? They are people, and they are fellow citizens. And how exactly is everyone else being "given up on"?

Looks like you need psychological help with the amount of anger you have displayed in this thread. Unfortunately, you are right, it is not covered by OHIP. And if someone were to support or ask for coverage, am sure you'd be against it and call them communist.

You can do liposuction, cut off extra skin, but a rotten brain and soul can't be fixed.

Who the EF are you to decide if women and girls should or shouldn't see a dick in a washroom or a change room?? Such a shame!

 

[glamphotographer]

Conservatives are focused on culture wars, instead of more important issues like inflation and the economy.

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

Conservatives are focused on culture wars, instead of more important issues like inflation and the economy.

Please enlighten us on how the economy and inflation are doing during Liberal government rule.

 

[JohnLarue]

Of course trans people are normal people.

then they do not need any special treatment and should use the restroom designed for their gentiles & respect the privacy and dignity of other normal people

"Nature undermines gender"? Pray tell everyone how nature undermines YOUR gender. Freudian slip right there.

A child's biological sex (male or female) is determined by the chromosome that the male parent contributes. Males have XY sex chromosomes while females have XX sex chromosomes; the male can contribute the X or Y chromosome, while the female must contribute one of their X chromosomes.

So my father's baby batter determined my gender.

biological sex = gender
its been that way since day 1 and will be that way always

Now I understand why all the senior citizen outraged rightie twats are sooo angry and pretend to be "manly men". They just wanna wear a skirt, call themselves "Nancy", suck dick and dream about dick all day long.

what you truly understand would not fill a dixie cup

you do not understand what Sovereignty means
anyone who supports an assignation attempt of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil is not normal and his opinions are worthless

 

[glamphotographer]

These are not the fiscal conservatives of the past, they are the religious reform party that starts culture wars.

 

[JohnLarue]

Conservatives are focused on culture wars, instead of more important issues like inflation and the economy.

what a pile of steaming bull shit

it was the loonie left govts that printed a couple of trillion dollars and caused the inflation
mean while the loonie left want to ban Fossil Fuels, roads, fertilizer, meat etc
energy is what drives an economy

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

These are not the fiscal conservatives of the past, they are the religious reform party that starts culture wars.

Some of the most divisive movements such as Me too, BLM, Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed, the whole cancel culture, all grew legs because of the left's support, no?

 

[Skoob]

Surgeries:

Minors are not operated on in the first place. This is just rightie propaganda nonsense.

Can minors get surgery?
Surgical options, Hodgson says, aren't considered until "very, very late in care" — and almost never for patients under 18.

"I can tell you, internationally, I do not know anybody that will perform any type of genital surgery on anyone under 18 years of age."

In some very rare cases, she says, older teenagers may be eligible for chest surgery — also known as top surgery — but only if they've already had "a significant duration of care," she said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/gender-affirming-care-youth-1.7021529

Sports:

Depends on the sport. I don't agree with women participating with trans women in sports that calls for a direct test of strength. There are others where men and women can compete with each other. Infact there are sports where men and women always competed together, and it was never an issue, before this whole trans debate. Like Equestrian for example.

Spaces:

Absolutely have no issues sharing my locker room or bathroom, with a trans man. Similarly, do not have issues with trans women sharing bathrooms or locker rooms. Bathrooms and locker rooms are public spaces, where you go to change or pee. There is no reason why that cannot be shared. If someone is embarrassed, try looking in people's eyes instead of their genitals lol.

Are good with starting kids on hormone therapy as a precursor to sex changes at age 14?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/trans-kids-treatment-can-start-younger-new-guidelines-say-1.5947894

 

[onomatopoeia]

Well, normal people don't go through that....Normal people go about their ways and deal with life normally....Normal people don't have a mismatch in "gender identity" So what's normal about being trans? any person straight gay lesbian who suffers depression aren't normal either...If you need something altered in your life to become normal, you are not normal...

Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life

One of the tenets of modern leftist philosophy is 'that which is common is normal'.

 

[richaceg]

Sure, whatever the experts deem as good enough, is good enough for me. I believe the international group promoting evidence-based standards of care that includes more than 3,000 doctors, social scientists and others involved in transgender health issues, know better than the average rightie having a knee jerk emotional reaction, because they cannot stop thinking about dicks.

That is the way of the world. Not leftist philosophy.

there are experts on both sides, you are just pushing the liberal side and think there's no studies that debunk that....

 

[richaceg]

I'll believe actual peer reviewed published experts on the subject. I will also agree healthy debate is good. But not with ones on Joe Rogan benefitting from outrage culture.

Please do tell about peer reviewed "experts" you believe in and post it here...

Dr. Miriam Grossman I guess doesn't pass the "qualities and education" you are looking for...

Correction: Transgender Surgery Provides No Mental Health Benefit

The American Journal of Psychiatry has issued a major correction to a recent study. The Bränström study reanalysis demonstrated that neither “gender-affirming hormone treatment” nor “gender-affirming surgery” reduced the need of transgender-identifying people for mental health services. Fad medicine

www.thepublicdiscourse.com

 

[Skoob]

Sure, whatever the experts deem as good enough, is good enough for me. I believe the international group promoting evidence-based standards of care that includes more than 3,000 doctors, social scientists and others involved in transgender health issues, know better than the average rightie having a knee jerk emotional reaction, because they cannot stop thinking about dicks.

Experts also believed that asbestos insultation was "good enough".

 

[richaceg]

When the experts are not looking for clout on Joe Rogan, wearing 2 tone designer suits, and instead actually publish peer reviewed research, let me know, and I will take them seriously.

By the way Rich, mental health needs may be multiple. Gender affirming surgeries alone do not cover the whole gamut of needs that an individual may have. What if they have ADHD as well? Gender affirming surgery isn't going to correct for that. So this correction does not change anything. Just fodder for these clout chasing rightie twats to flap their gums on Joe Rogan.

So you think she and her achievement aren't enough just because she got interviewed by Joe Rogan?

 

[Skoob]

When the experts are not looking for clout on Joe Rogan, wearing 2 tone designer suits, and instead actually publish peer reviewed research, let me know, and I will take them seriously.

By the way Rich, mental health needs may be multiple. Gender affirming surgeries alone do not cover the whole gamut of needs that an individual may have. What if they have ADHD as well? Gender affirming surgery isn't going to correct for that. So this correction does not change anything. Just fodder for these clout chasing rightie twats to flap their gums on Joe Rogan.

I don't believe the experts who thought asbestos was safe were looking for clout do you?