Poilievre backs banning trans women from women's sports, change rooms and bathrooms

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Kautilya said:
Given I have been the one to say that gender identity and sex are not the same thing, I am not wrong about anything. I have been right all along.

So you are basically changing your tune here and admitting ,that gender identity and sex are not the same. This is not what you said earlier. You argued that gender = sex.

So in light of your latest admission it follows that transwomen are women, because their assigned sex at birth has nothing to do with their gender identity. Hence it also follows you are admitting that it is right for transwomen to use women's washrooms and change rooms, which is consistent with their gender identity.

Thanks for seeing the light finally.
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OK, now you are just trolling.

Below are my exact word.
DesRicardo said:
If gender and sex are unrelated then why have gender affirming surgery?
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I don't even know where to begin.

Is you physical anatomy not determined by biology? That in itself explains gender and sex are related.
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And here you admit the relationship.
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Gender identity is the innermost concept of self - about who you are - man, woman or something else. Physical sex characteristics determined by genetics may or may not be aligned with this concept of self. Gender affirming surgeries help alter physical anatomy to align the two.

Gender identity and physical sex are therefore independent characteristics and the only relationship between them is the alignment/misalignment a person feels between the two. In that way you could say they are related - but, that is very different from saying gender = sex, which is the argument you are trying to make, while using the wrong words and failing to accurately understand what either is about.
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You're just trolling at this point.
 
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Again you are just trolling. I asked if they are related and You agreed they are related.
 
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Kautilya said:
No normal father, ever refers to his daughter as having a "hot body", or a "smoking hot body", "DDG" etc., This is not the same as saying you have a beautiful daughter. The former is sexualized language which you used. And I have not mocked any girl here, so not sure what you are rambling on about. The only one I mocked is you, for having referred to your daughter as having a smoking hot body. Which is gross as fuck.

You were claiming that they perform surgeries on pre-pubescent minors. I was the one who corrected you and had to educate you that they do not perform surgeries on 8 year olds or even minors. I am the one owning the argument, so nice try, trying to claim wins you never had.

They would start hormonal treatment after puberty. That is the standard of care, established by medical experts, and the fact that they are kids, is completely okay, because as I educated you, kids are able to identify gender at 3 years of age.

Getting kids the help they need is not abuse. It is the right thing to do. Parents who prevent kids from getting the help that they need, are abusing their kids and have to have their kids taken away from them. Stop advocating for child abuse and neglect.
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Here's your opportunity to prove me wrong or STFU...show me where I said that 8 year olds undergo surgery. You are twisting things so go ahead. I a previous post tyou said that I specifically said surgeries on 8 year olds not you're changing your story. So go ahead.

While you're at it...you may want to read this rather than changing your story...

The World Professional Association for Transgender Health said hormones could be started at age 14, two years earlier than the group's previous advice, and some surgeries done at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous guidance.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/trans-kids-treatment-can-start-younger-new-guidelines-say-1.5947894
 
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Kautilya said:
Go back several pages when I first posted this article below. That was in response to you claiming that pre-pubescent minors are being operated on.


And I know, this. This is in the article my link above as well. And your link does not say anything outrageous that you think it does. Hormone therapy is started AFTER puberty. 14 is usually after puberty. Similarly, surgeries done between 15 to 17, lines up with what I posted in my link above as well - that in some older teenagers, who have been under care for a significant duration, surgery is appropriate. However this is rare.

We are quoting the same source. The World Professional Association for Transgender Health is the authority on this subject. Their recommendations are the standard.

Can minors get surgery?
Surgical options, Hodgson says, aren't considered until "very, very late in care" — and almost never for patients under 18.

"I can tell you, internationally, I do not know anybody that will perform any type of genital surgery on anyone under 18 years of age."

In some very rare cases, she says, older teenagers may be eligible for chest surgery — also known as top surgery — but only if they've already had "a significant duration of care," she said.
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You accused me specifically of saying 8 year olds are having surgeries. I asked you to show me where I stated that specifically.
The final stage of puberty (Tanner stage 5) starts in boys around the age of 14/15...it's by no means that age to consider it being "after" puberty.
 
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Kautilya said:
Given I have been the one to say that gender identity and sex are not the same thing, I am not wrong about anything. I have been right all along.

So you are basically changing your tune here and admitting ,that gender identity and sex are not the same. This is not what you said earlier. You argued that gender = sex.

So in light of your latest admission it follows that transwomen are women, because their assigned sex at birth has nothing to do with their gender identity. Hence it also follows you are admitting that it is right for transwomen to use women's washrooms and change rooms, which is consistent with their gender identity.

Thanks for seeing the light finally.
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You've been the joke of this thread...you just don't know it or fail to recognize it. I'm doing you a favor....study harder....or go back to grade 9 at least....
 
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Kautilya said:
Oh look an alpha male, rightie, with a great dating life, makes his presence known yet again on TERB 😂
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Oh look a bigot and vile despicable degenerate deplorable who fantasizes about young girls, has to pay for it, and has such great dating life but had to and chose to have major surgery for um…what exactly again?

I think from here on out, I'm going to steal a despicable page from a vile degenerate and I’m going to ridicule and mock that instead.

Can’t even think of original gotchas so has to steal from other people.
 
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Guys, Girls, Them, They, WHOEVER, STOP and watch a movie together and maybe you "boys" can all get along

On Netflix, enjoy

 
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Kautilya said:
An unhinged rant by someone trying to deflect from the fact that he sexualized his own daughter and is mad someone pointed it out. 😂 :sick: 🐸
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what ever you say cow.
The only person that’s sexualized it is you. Do you know my daughter has breast, boobs and tits too. And some sons are studs.

Nor was that all you had to say. Was it?
Btw whale, using it as intended to trigger you. Very clearly, obviously mission accomplished
 
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Kautilya said:
Cow? Never been called cow as an insult before. 😂

But calling me a cow and referring to your daughter's "breasts, boobs and tits" sounds both creepy and insulting (to your daughter). Doubling down on the creepiness are we? 😂
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as I just said Deplorable, Depraved, Goat.
clearly it’s triggered you. As it was intended. And we all know why.
 
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Kautilya said:
Cow. Goat. What is next, you gonna call me, Lamb or other cattle? So weird. 😂
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hey, atleast I know how to exercise to stay in shape and don’t have to pay for that too.

weak deflections from a pervert and worse.

Care to examine all the things you’ve said in this thread about transgender people or women with hot bodies in bathrooms ( btw, why is ok for you to say “my daughter” is hot and DDG but a father can’t). Do you know every SP here has a father?

nor thought about. be that sick people like you using a child for your fantasies, to jerk off to on webcams or in bathroom stalls. Or simply saying things you what about a young teen that has been through hell and back.
 
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squeezer said:
I believe besides a little bit of incestual fantasies mixed in with a little bestiality is the problem and causes unnecessary gobbly gook posts.
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keep it up boys. You’re only proving a number of things. Not the least of which is just how much I trigger you. No matter what I say and we all know why.. You boys need help.
 
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