PM Harper pockets the "Host" during communion
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No, what I find embarrassing is a Prime Minister who can't speak either of our official languages.danmand said:Really! You find people with disabilities or medical problems embarassing.
Nice try though.
Speaking out of the side of his mouth can be taken 2 ways. It's also an expression referring to one who lies.danmand said:
Good point though. Interesting how Chretien covers both the expression and the literal.
These sort of meaningless protocolary f-ups happen all the time. Gone are the days when the word of kings held sway and the most trivial slight was a casus belli. But today this isn't the case, so even if it were an international funeral, it's no big embarrassment. The Zouaves or the Swiss Guards won't be storming Parliament Hill any time soon.
According to the PMO, he did eat the host, which is permissible according to most Protestant denominations, as they by and large practice "open communion" (i.e. not restricted to members of the particular organization). From a Catholic perspective it was an affront as Catholics are not "in communion" with the PM's church and thus the eucharist is to be refused to non-Catholics.
The officiating priest, if he did know the PM wasn't Catholic, probably did the right thing to present Mr Harper with the host (which of course was the "wrong" thing to do according to Catholic doctrine), as refusing the host to the PM would have disrupted the service further.
IMO the proper etiquette for non-Catholics attending a Catholic service is the following: stand when everyone stands; sit when others sit; remain sitting when the congregation kneels; do not cross oneself; participate in the hand-shaking sign of peace; and do not line up to receive communion.
According to the PMO, he did eat the host, which is permissible according to most Protestant denominations, as they by and large practice "open communion" (i.e. not restricted to members of the particular organization). From a Catholic perspective it was an affront as Catholics are not "in communion" with the PM's church and thus the eucharist is to be refused to non-Catholics.
The officiating priest, if he did know the PM wasn't Catholic, probably did the right thing to present Mr Harper with the host (which of course was the "wrong" thing to do according to Catholic doctrine), as refusing the host to the PM would have disrupted the service further.
IMO the proper etiquette for non-Catholics attending a Catholic service is the following: stand when everyone stands; sit when others sit; remain sitting when the congregation kneels; do not cross oneself; participate in the hand-shaking sign of peace; and do not line up to receive communion.
Good attempt at a spin, but the expression for someone lying is "talking outlookingforitallthetime said:
of both sides of his mouth".
And what about your claim that he cannot speak any of canada's official languages.lookingforitallthetime said:
I have not heard any quebecers complain that he does not speak their language. So
are you just complaining that he does not speak english well?
Have you heard Harper speak french?
and.........do not add "for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever and ever" at the end of the Lord's prayer.johnhenrygalt said:
You are a bigot! Making comments about peoples impediments makes you one.lookingforitallthetime said:
More bigotry in the guise of a joke.lookingforitallthetime said:and.........do not add "for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever and ever" at the end of the Lord's prayer.
I do agree with you. Lookingforitallthetime made a misstep, that he should beHadrian said:
gracious enough to retract.
I think, notwithstanding anybody's views of Chretien's politcal life, everybody
should admire him for reaching the highest office of the land with a serious
speech empediment.
I wasn't spinning anything. I was referring to a Prime Minister that I considered an embarrasment. He happened to talk out of the side of his mouth but that was not where the embarrassment lies.danmand said:
Believe it or not, I don't give a shit what you or your new little buddy think either way.
Actually Harper speaks French fairly well and has improved his pronounciation considerable over the years. He felt it was important that he be able to communicate effectively in both official languages and worked hard to reach that goal. Of course, he gets no credit for it.danmand said:
As for Chretien, he has the ability to make both French and English ears cringe. This is common knowledge.
Funny story. Shortly after Trudeau gave him the Indian Affairs cabinet post someone commented on Chretien's poor English. Trudeau replied; "You think his English is bad you should hear his French!".
You have no idea what you're talking about.Hadrian said:
I'm bored of you, go play your games somewhere else troll.
His french is terrible, did you watch the French language debate?lookingforitallthetime said:
Now I'm done with you!!
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Hopefully I can sleep tonight with this hanging over my head.Hadrian said:
I'm still waiting for your explanation on how mentioning the difference in the Lord's Prayer is bigotry.Hadrian said:
In the meantime, fuck you asshole.
Only to people who don't understand French. French is my mother tongue, and I have no problems understanding Mr Harper's French. It is not perfect, but it is certainly intelligible.Hadrian said:
Well, many protestant denominations, especially those who have much of their theology tied up in the grammatical peculiarities of the English King James Version, do retain the extraneous words.lookingforitallthetime said:and.........do not add "for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever and ever" at the end of the Lord's prayer.
