Playing 2 Hands At B Jack

[Ranger68]

Still the best speller around, eh papsmear?

 

[booboobear]

These guys count cards, and play at single or double-deck tables. But, there really aren't many of those guys *at all* - the number has been inflated in the eye of the public. The guys who make money at blackjack are *almost entirely* tournament players.

Exactly I am beginning to think the only real way to win or at least have an idea if you win is to bet large say $ 50 $ 100 or $ 200 per bet and if you are one bet ahead walk away, play maybe twice a week . Trouble is if most people are up 1 bet which you can be after 3 minutes at a table you won't walk away . Keep a record for 3 months and if you aren't up after that don't play again , easier said than done .
I haven't worked up to $ 200 bets yet , also keep your chips if you win so that way you play with the casino money. Do you agree with this stratagy. ?

 

[goodandkind]

craps if you know how to play offers the best odds and also the worst odds
the best bet in the casino is the free odds bet behind the pass line the casino has no edge over you on this bet

 

[homonger]

Anybody play mini baccarat? I have heard this is the best game to play at the casino?

I have played baccarat, and although it is a decent game from a house edge standpoint, I think it is one of the silliest games ever created. You do nothing but watch the dealer play out the cards, it is really quite boring. What I find comical is how seriously people keep track of who has won--player or banker--as if you can really predict the randomness of the shoe.

From a house edge standpoint, the best games to play are blackjack, craps (making the pass line bet and following it with odds), and baccarat. Video poker can also be good if you find the right payouts on a machine.

 

[wonkyknee]

Good players who play two spots do so because they are looking for a place that enjoys a string of winning hands. If you play two spots you double your chances of having a spot that enjoys a string of winning hands. When you get those winning hands you increase your bets every hand. If your second hand is not enjoying the same luck then you keep those bets low.

Of course a third thing may happen: The dealer may go on a string of losing hands then...of course all those players at the table that increase their bets will enjoy...and the two place player enjoys double!!!

 

[goodandkind]

you forget you also double your chances of losing twice as much

 

[wonkyknee]

that's not forgotten.....read closely...

"If your second hand is not enjoying the same luck then you keep those bets low."

I did not think it necessary to explain that if both spots are not doing well then keep betting low.....even the table minimum on both....so NO you are not losing twice as much. You only increase your bets when things are good.

If one hand is doing well then incremently increase the bets. Its sad that often I see a player enjoying a string of winning hands as well as multiple blackjacks, yet they still bet at the minimums. It's true what is said here before that the house enjoys a slight margin of odds. The only way to overcome them is to increase your bets when you receive a string of winning hands. Counting cards will help to recognize when the deck is flush with face cards but just cause you're counting doesn't mean the deck will be flush very often.

 

[Ranger68]

There is only random chance. Your past success does not reflect on your future success. If you're won three hands in a row, you're just as likely to lose the next one as before the "winning streak" started.
It's just luck.
Increasing your bets when you're winning hands doesn't overcome anything.

 

[wonkyknee]

This is true...I agree wholeheartedly...

There is only random chance. Your past success does not reflect on your future success. If you're won three hands in a row, you're just as likely to lose the next one as before the "winning streak" started.
It's just luck.
Increasing your bets when you're winning hands doesn't overcome anything.

I wish someone here studied math and sequence of events.....there is a great show on TV.....ive watched a number of times...not sure if its still airing..maybe too high above peoples heads, but the main character does explain things clearly for anyone to understand...I think its called NUMBERS...he explains it quite often.

Its all about sequences....the great BJ players are looking for that sequence of winning hands...its a grind and you have to be patient, but it comes.

 

[ispank]

The time to play two spots is the same as the time to increase your bet on one spot. Even in a six deck shoe you can get a position where the remaining cards in the show are to your advantage. If the house is one where they deal at least 5 of the six decks, you can get times where the show is in your favour. Time to double up the bet and spots. If the house only deals 3-4 decks (you can see where they place the cut card) then dont bother, the runs will be too short to make it worth the risk of 2 spots.

I just find betting 2 spots more fun ... which is why I am playing. If playing was just to make money, I'd get a job as a dealer!

 

[Ranger68]

I wish someone here studied math and sequence of events.....there is a great show on TV.....ive watched a number of times...not sure if its still airing..maybe too high above peoples heads, but the main character does explain things clearly for anyone to understand...I think its called NUMBERS...he explains it quite often.

Its all about sequences....the great BJ players are looking for that sequence of winning hands...its a grind and you have to be patient, but it comes.

Dude, I practically majored in math in University.
You're wrong. There's no simpler way to put it.
Streaks are just random distributions of hands in the shoe. The vast majority of the time, they indicate nothing but that, so pressing your bet when you're winning is useless.
"Numb3rs"?!?!
ROTFLMFAO

The only even REMOTELY reliable way to make money at blackjack is to count cards and push your bets (perhaps even by playing two hands) when the shoe is in your favour, as pointed out. It doesn't really matter if you're playing one hand or two. If you're *consistently* playing two spots, you're just risking *four times* as much as betting one spot - this is because you almost always won't be allowed to play table minimum at two spots, but be forced to lay down twice minimum to do this, on each spot.

 

[wonkyknee]

Practically majoring in math???...LOL

Dude, I practically majored in math in University.
You're wrong. There's no simpler way to put it.
Streaks are just random distributions of hands in the shoe. The vast majority of the time, they indicate nothing but that, so pressing your bet when you're winning is useless.
"Numb3rs"?!?!
ROTFLMFAO

The only even REMOTELY reliable way to make money at blackjack is to count cards and push your bets (perhaps even by playing two hands) when the shoe is in your favour, as pointed out. It doesn't really matter if you're playing one hand or two. If you're *consistently* playing two spots, you're just risking *four times* as much as betting one spot - this is because you almost always won't be allowed to play table minimum at two spots, but be forced to lay down twice minimum to do this, on each spot.

call me when you have a PHd.!! ROFLOL

I know a lot of people who took science courses at UofT.....I guess they're practically Medical Doctors.


How does playing one spot of $100/hand equal risking "four times" on two spots...one at $25 and one at $50.00/hand.

like I said...call me when you at least finish that degree..then maybe you can talk with my kids at the same level.

 

[Ranger68]

I'm not really interested in *convincing* you of my authority to speak on topics mathematical, dude, but I'll just say that I had MORE THAN ENOUGH math in University to major in it. I do have a degree, and it might as well be in math.
And your background in math is ... uh, what exactly? Watching Numb3rs??

Here, I'll spell it out for you. Assume the table minimum's $25. To play one spot, I only have to plunk down $25 per hand. To play two spots, you'll usually be forced to play *twice* the minimum on *both* spots - that'd be $50 per spot. Now, $50 times two equals $100. Finally, $100 divided by $25 equals four. So, to play two spots usually costs you FOUR TIMES as much as playing one spot. Fuck, man, at least learn ARITHMETIC if you're going to talk about blackjack ......
Clear?
Anything else I can help you with?
Idiot.

 

[booboobear]

. Finally, $100 divided by $25 equals four. So, to play two spots usually costs you FOUR TIMES as much as playing one spot. Fuck, man, at least learn ARITHMETIC if you're going to talk about blackjack ......
Clear?
Anything else I can help you with?
Idiot.

Oops don't want to interupt this fight but just to mention that at Casino Niagara anyway you can play 2 spots and only play the minimum on each. I tried it on the weekend not every hand , granted ,but did ok . My take is that sure you can lose 2 hands but then again you also have 2 hands to possibly hit B jack so if you lose 1 hand and hit blackjack you still come out ahead. I don't think betting 2 hands and once increases your odds of losing 2 hands as opposed to betting 2 single hands but if you hit 2 ten cards you have a better chance at hitting an ace on 1 whether statistics confirm it or not might be a different story.

 

[homonger]

I don't what it is about these gambling threads that booboo starts that gets ranger all riled up.

For the record, I think 'Numb3rs' is an entertaining show. It has been made even more entertaining after seeing 'Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle' and hearing the David Krumholtz character say he would eat anything that came out of Katie Holmes' ass.

It is amazing to me how much hearsay and superstition there is when it comes to casino games, and blackjack is no exception. Yet, it is an exceedingly mathematical game, and the only casino game where present outcomes affect future outcomes. This is why card counting works, and that is the only way to "beat' the game. Playing two spots does not affect your chances of winning or losing--it just affects the volatility of your results.

 

[wonkyknee]

you're just too concerned with table minimums!

I'm not really interested in *convincing* you of my authority to speak on topics mathematical, dude, but I'll just say that I had MORE THAN ENOUGH math in University to major in it. I do have a degree, and it might as well be in math.
And your background in math is ... uh, what exactly? Watching Numb3rs??

Here, I'll spell it out for you. Assume the table minimum's $25. To play one spot, I only have to plunk down $25 per hand. To play two spots, you'll usually be forced to play *twice* the minimum on *both* spots - that'd be $50 per spot. Now, $50 times two equals $100. Finally, $100 divided by $25 equals four. So, to play two spots usually costs you FOUR TIMES as much as playing one spot. Fuck, man, at least learn ARITHMETIC if you're going to talk about blackjack ......
Clear?
Anything else I can help you with?
Idiot.

Once you start worring about how little you can bet, you might as well pack it in.

The minimum bet is the minimum bet..that's all it is, but if you can't afford to play more than the minimum then you will lose...guaranteed. If you are being "forced to play certain amounts" then you are no longer dictating the play. The casino is dictating to you...and of course you are then at the mercy of their odds.

Here's a tip for you and your friends: go weekdays...early in the mornings..that way you can bet minimum $10/hand....hopefully you and the grannies get along. At $10/hand at least you will lose all your money slowly.

ROFLOL

P.S. It's a bit of a drive to Rama or Niagara......hopefully you did more than "practically get your driver's licence"...or take the bus, they often have tours for you and the grannies worrying about the minimum bets.

 

[VERYBADBOY]

I don't what it is about these gambling threads that booboo starts that gets ranger all riled up.

I think that booboo is starting a trend, but I have to admit that I enjoy the banter.

Here is the way I see it:

1) If the casinos let you play the two hands
2) But the only condition is that you have to double your bet

Then there is only one reason ... Casinos are there to make $$$.

If this play resulted in more winners than losers, then they would shut it down but they don't because they are in the business of taking your $$$.

Remember, casinos keep stats/records on all of their tables ... the camera up above is not only there to watch for cheaters, it monitors dealers and players as well.

VBB

 

[wonkyknee]

Again..i agree with you too...

I think that booboo is starting a trend, but I have to admit that I enjoy the banter.

Here is the way I see it:

1) If the casinos let you play the two hands
2) But the only condition is that you have to double your bet

Then there is only one reason ... Casinos are there to make $$$.

If this play resulted in more winners than losers, then they would shut it down but they don't because they are in the business of taking your $$$.

Remember, casinos keep stats/records on all of their tables ... the camera up above is not only there to watch for cheaters, it monitors dealers and players as well.

VBB

just as this forum shows, there are many people who play and many are convinced that they can beat the game(casino). You should be happy if you break even and get comp'd regularly. The mathematics is that it is a 50/50 game(approx), but you need to stick with basic strategy, and manage your money. The minute you get caught up in any false theories whether pro or con then you often start mismanaging money. Counting cards only improves your odds marginally, but BJ is a game of tiny margins. Any advantage you can get, will improve your chances but certainly not guarantee anything, over any small period of time.

Betting only minimum bets hurts you severely. You have to be able to afford the game. When "action" hands occur you can't shy away.....and for one last time, when you are in the midst of a series of winning hands, you can't be concerned with "minimum bets" either.

People play multiple spots for various reasons. The only good reason is to double your chances of playing a spot that enjoys a series of winning hands. Anyone who has played BJ for any period of time in their lives will attest to the fact that the game is a grind and you are always waiting for that "series of winning hands"....when it arrives, you have to increase your bets, cause it won't last forever, but often long enough to make you a winner at that moment.

 

[Ranger68]

Oops don't want to interupt this fight but just to mention that at Casino Niagara anyway you can play 2 spots and only play the minimum on each. I tried it on the weekend not every hand , granted ,but did ok . My take is that sure you can lose 2 hands but then again you also have 2 hands to possibly hit B jack so if you lose 1 hand and hit blackjack you still come out ahead. I don't think betting 2 hands and once increases your odds of losing 2 hands as opposed to betting 2 single hands but if you hit 2 ten cards you have a better chance at hitting an ace on 1 whether statistics confirm it or not might be a different story.

As stated, MOST places will make you do this. It depends upon how attentive the dealer is (because this IS the policy) and how busy the place is.
Statistics do not confirm the theory that there is any benefit to playing two hands.

 

[Ranger68]

I don't what it is about these gambling threads that booboo starts that gets ranger all riled up.

I enjoy taking fools to task.