Pitbull kills owner

[canada-man]

Indeed they are, but it's not enforced. This industry is illegal yet we're still here.
I'll leave you with this canada-man. If you believe all middle eastern people are terrorists then I can understand why you feel all Pit-bulls are bad. Yes, it's the same thing!

show me a post where i said all middle eastern people are terrorists. show proof or don't falsely accuse me

 

[StillROAMing]

show me a post where i said all middle eastern people are terrorists. show proof or don't falsely accuse me

I did not accuse you of anything. It was merely a comparison between the two naive trains of thought, nothing more.

Good day,

 

[black booty lover]

Here we go again.
Think what you will, IMO, you've all been brainwashed. Nothing anyone can say or do will change your minds.
Power breeds are like guns in the sense that they don't kill people, people kill people.

I've had several dogs throughout my life and find Pitts are the most obedient, I'm currently on my second Pitt and he's as gentle as a lamb but dismiss this as a one in a million, go ahead.
Can they do damage? Of course, their sheer size permits this. What about when chihuahuas or a toy poodles attack and bite, not as much damage but this is because of their size.



I know, lets get rid of all dogs that aren't small ankle biters. :')

Of course the fact their size plays a part in it. I'm not sure what your point is. Poodles don't make the news because when they bite, people don't die so the danger factor is significantly less.


I'm sure most pitbulls are extremely loyal, loving and would never attack, but it does happen and when it does, it can be fatal. There have been lots of pitbulls like yours where owners have been like "my pitbull is extremely gentle and would never attack" and then have gone on to kill people.

A family in England had the same mentality as yours. Thought the pit was the most gentle thing and would never hurt a fly. One day the mother leaves the baby in the living room with the pit, by the time she got back it was to late, baby suffered fatal wounds.

 

[Grimnul]

First off, let me say I grew up with dogs. I don’t just mean I had a dog as a kid, my mother is a breeder and raises champion showdogs, she currently has 8 dogs, and I was involved in training all our dogs growing up. I know more about how to properly train dogs than most, and I am certainly not “brainwashed”.

Ok.

So first off, it is certainly true that a lot of Pit attacks are caused by bad owners. There are a lot of trashy people who get Pits because they want to be tough and don’t know how to control their animal. That said, Pits always make me nervous. They’re like the dog equivalent of a twitchy military veteran who seems like he could snap at any second. They are bred for aggression, and the breed exists to fight, that’s literally the reason the breed was created in the first place. Yes, with proper training, it is possible to prevent most Pits from attacking, but dogs are not machines. You can’t program them. You can encourage them to behave certain ways, but it isn’t guaranteed. A couple of my mother’s dogs have bitten people on occasion and she’s the most responsible owner you can imagine. Dogs can get spooked by something, or get overly excited, maybe a kid was bothering them and couldn’t tell that the dog was annoyed, any number of other things and accidents can happen. With many other breeds, it’s usually not that big of a problem because they’re not really capable of doing too much damage. If a Pit has a bug out moment, someone could die.

I love dogs and would never hurt one, but I can say, if a Pit ever lunges at me, I wouldn’t hold back. Those things are basically walking balls of muscle with a bear trap strapped to its face. I 100% will kill that dog if it comes at me. It’s just too dangerous to let a Pit that’s decided to attack you live. Personally, I would support a ban. They’re just too dangerous. I’m sure most of them are super sweet and would never hurt a fly, but there just isn’t any good reason why someone needs a Pit over any of the other hundreds of breeds they could choose from. The very fact that so many bad owners are able to get Pits in the first place is a reason to be in favour of a ban in and of itself.

 

[wazup]

These arguments are futile, pitbulls are dangerous in general and the stats prove it. Of course not all are. People that own pits are usually insecure and need a powerful looking dog to combat that.

 

[rhuarc29]

It's possible to train an Italian Greyhound but it wouldn't do much damage, hence why bad owners choose a larger dog. Debating is futile when minds are brainwashed.

It sure is.

 

[Grimnul]

I’m not saying we euthanize Pits. I would never advocate taking someone’s pet away (unless they’re a shitty person who mistreats or mishandles it). Just don’t breed any more. We don’t need to continue propagating every breed.

To me, the big difference between Pits and German Shepherds and Rottweilers is that Rots and Germans weren’t bred to fight. They were bred to protect livestock and perform other tasks for humans. Pits were bred to kill animals larger than them. Obviously, it would probably be a good idea to increase regulation so shitty people couldn’t get dogs, but it’s about harm reduction. Statistically, Pits are more dangerous than other breeds. That’s just a fact. Some of it is shitty owners, some of it is breeding and genetics.

I don’t tend to buy into “slippery slope” scenarios. I think it’s a fallacy that you can apply to just about anything you don’t agree with. Certainly there is a possibility of that happening, but I don’t think it’s particularly likely.

 

[MzBhavin]

Clearly the animal is dangerous, as it attacked first the child, then it’s own owner when they tried to intervene. Destroy it.

 

[avg guy]

I'm no animal trainer but I am very comfortable around all animals and have studied behaviours (out of interest not occupation). Disclaimer over

The pitbull breed in its true bloodline is not a problem. They were bred as working dogs and considered exceptional protectors of their (human) families. If you look them up, don't believe the myth of them being "Nanny Dogs". They are working dogs who where also used as security. Much like most Molosser breeds. The problem came when it was discovered they have a don't stop or give up personality. But so do many other Molossers. Tosa Inus, Presa Canario, Dogo Argentino just to name a few quickly. When this trait was discovered, their breeding was concentrated to be fighting dogs. Again, like the Tosa. Difference is Tosa's don't growl or make any noise, and their coats are built to take the punishment. They also prefer to pin their opponents rather than decimate them.....Sorry didn't mean to digress.

IMO, these breeds are not exactly "Dangerous". HOWEVER, that said, they can cause damage. They need a strong pack leader of an owner. They are not to be babied and must know who is the boss at all times. We are not talking about a beating to remind them, but daily behaviours. YOU go through a door way before they do. YOU go up the stairs before they do. They are at your service as they would be in a wild pack to the Alpha or Omega.

They must learn from an early stage that you can take toys, food, favorite blankets away at whim. You will be challenged as they mature and try and find their place in the pack, but an owner of these working breeds must always keep them in check. I know this all might sound a little militant but in the real "Pack" world it is. Again, keeping them in check doesn't mean a beating. Simple things as not allowing them on the couch or your bed will do. Give them their own spots to them selves (a blanket and/or dog bed - which you can take at whim) ...YOURS IS OFF LIMITS.

All of these large working breeds are great pets to have as they offer a lot of love to their Human families, have great quirky personalities and never ending loyalty.

Those who want to own any of these dogs should be screened so that it can be assessed that they are capable of the responsibilities that come with it. Even if the owner never had intention of making their fur baby a fighting / killing machine, if you do not have the experience on how to handle these beautiful animals, you might find yourself in a scenario where someone gets hurt (if not yourself) because in your heart your baby couldn't hurt no one.

Sorry, I can go on forever.....

 

[huckfinn]

I equate training dogs to training animals like tigers.

If you google it, there are many trainers who were killed by the tigers they trained to obey commands.

I see Pit Bulls (and possibly other breeds) the same. Train them all you want. There is absolutely no guarantee they won't snap.

 

[Grimnul]

Well, the big problem isn’t necessarily always the owners. Yes, some Pit attacks are against their owners, but the real issue is what happens when they don’t have an “alpha” (although, the whole alpha/beta thing has been discredited for years). What happens when the dog gets loose? A responsible owner ideally won’t let that happen, but accidents happen. My mother’s dogs got loose once because some landscapers left the gate open and didn’t tell us. The dogs wound up waiting on our front porch, but who knows what would’ve happened if someone they didn’t know approached them?

This is the problem. What if you have a Pit and it gets loose somehow? What if someone tries to approach it? At a certain point, without it’s owner to keep it calm and under control, instinct is going to take over. That’s when trouble can happen.

 

[StillROAMing]

Well, the big problem isn’t necessarily always the owners. Yes, some Pit attacks are against their owners, but the real issue is what happens when they don’t have an “alpha” (although, the whole alpha/beta thing has been discredited for years). What happens when the dog gets loose? A responsible owner ideally won’t let that happen, but accidents happen. My mother’s dogs got loose once because some landscapers left the gate open and didn’t tell us. The dogs wound up waiting on our front porch, but who knows what would’ve happened if someone they didn’t know approached them?

This is the problem. What if you have a Pit and it gets loose somehow? What if someone tries to approach it? At a certain point, without it’s owner to keep it calm and under control, instinct is going to take over. That’s when trouble can happen.

So, any Pit Bull that gets loose attacks anything that approaches it...and this is instinct as well? I'm tapping out. :doh:

 

[Grimnul]

No, not all Pits who get loose will necessarily attack someone. The point is, if they get loose and are approached by someone they don’t know, they might get scared and attack someone. If they do, someone could be seriously hurt or killed, especially if it’s a kid. And yes, for an animal that is bred for fighting, attacking someone is instinct.

Look, as we advance as a civilization, there are things we leave behind. There are jobs that no longer exist, there are things we no longer make, because we don’t need them anymore. They no longer have a place in our civilization. If we, as a civilization, have decided that it’s no longer acceptable to make dogs fight for our entertainment, then why are we still producing fighting dogs? Pits are an anachronism.

 

[superstar_88]

Grimnul knows dogs. Well said. Like the typewriter, cassette tape, floppy disk, vcr. What's the best way to fend off a Pit attack if it ever happens?

 

[wazup]

nother one

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sXLmd_1537547034

 

[canada-man]

Watch: Video shows pit bull attack on woman, Chihuahua pups in Sunnyside

https://www.silive.com/news/2018/09/video_shows_pit_bull_attack.html


Brother, sister seriously injured in pit bull attack

https://www.hollandsentinel.com/news/20180920/brother-sister-seriously-injured-in-pit-bull-attack


Cleveland family’s dog attacked and killed by pit bull

http://www.cleveland19.com/2018/09/20/cleveland-familys-dog-attacked-killed-by-pit-bull/

 

[Kadie Lux]

Wow seriously?! A pitbull killed its owner? Everyone makes pitbulls seem so peaceful etc, but I guess every animal is unpredictable.. especially pittbulls.
I personally wouldnt want a big dog like that I would get way too scared lol!

 

[wazup]

I would guess the crime scene would have been fairly grisly. In hindsight it's best it was her and not the child since it was her dog.

 

[canada-man]

DENVER -- An Arvada man who was viciously attacked by a Pit bull, while delivering a supply of wood to the Home Depot on West Crestline Avenue, says he wants the dog’s owner to step forward and accept responsibility.

Eric Mercer pulled up behind the store just before 10:30 Friday morning and got out of his truck.

He said he was waiting for a crew to help unload, when the chocolate colored pit bull, which had been running loose and dragging its leash in a grassy area adjacent to the store, came bolting toward him.

“He lunged at me,” Mercer said. “It was a midsize dog, but brute, like a dog on steroids.”

The dog clamped down on his left hand and wouldn’t let go.

It tore a gash on Mercer’s palm.

The victim said the Pit bull lunged at him three more times and he kept trying to push it away.

That’s when the dog turned its attention to a couple of Home Depot employees, who ended up jumping onto a platform.

“All I heard from the owner was ‘no, no, no.’ And that was it,” Mercer said.

Owner Flees

The victim told Denver7 that employees took him into the receiving area, so he could use the first aid kit.

While he was trying to stop the bleeding, he asked them to get the dog owner’s name, but was told she and her dogs were already gone.

He said a witness told him the woman had fled to a nearby apartment complex.

Mercer described her as a white Hispanic, about 5’ 4”, with long brown hair.

She apparently had two dogs, the Pit bull and a Wiener dog.

Eleven Stitches

The victim said he was transported to a hospital and received 11 stitches.

“Three under the skin,” he said, “and then eight above the skin.”

He said his doctor prescribed an antibiotic to prevent an infection.

Not wanting to incur more expenses, or a series of painful shots, Mercer said he wants authorities to find the dog, so it can be tested for rabies.

“I’m chicken,” he said, “I don’t like shots.”

Concern about Future Attacks

Mercer said he worries that the dog will attack again and that the outcome could be different.

“I’m a grown man,” he said. “Look what it did to me. What if it was a child? I have a daughter who is 9 years old. If this dog would have gotten a hold of her, it could have killed her.”

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...pplies-to-home-depot-on-west-crestline-avenue

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Ok so everyone on this board knows I'm a dog owner. Mupltie dog owner and have owned dogs my entire life.

Here is the issue with dogs and bites and it is completely simple to understand.

Dogs are animals, animals bite.

There is not one living breathing species that does not have bad apples and bad apples created by other bad apples. Humans included. We have murderers and people who assault others. And we know better. We understand better then a dog.

You want to own a dog, you take the responsibility and the risk.

The problem with large breed dogs(not just pitbulls) they are big and strong and not as easily controlled physically when in attack mode. A little dog, you, as an adult, can generally handle. Less then 10lbs easy, 10-15lbs still pretty easy, 20lbs and it is getting a little harder. So what the hell do you think 80-100lbs is going to be like.

I don't blame the animals. I never blame the animals. They are just doing what animals do. Not all owners are bad and animals will still be animals.

Accept the risk, accept the responsibility if you are going to be an animal owner. EOD.