PIMPs
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"pimp", "prostitute", "john" -- if that's what you are deal with it. avoiding the words by saying "owner", "service provider", and "client" is just admitting that there was something derogatory about the concept in the first place. even "whore", etc., wouldn't be bad words if people didn't think the idea was bad--it doesn't have any other bad meaning than prostitute, the only bad idea is selling your body for money. if you think it's a dirty word, what is it you think is dirty?
it sure is a loaded term that makes people cringe! but you gotta think about why and realize it's because of attitudes you probably ought not to support if you're one of the above.
it sure is a loaded term that makes people cringe! but you gotta think about why and realize it's because of attitudes you probably ought not to support if you're one of the above.
Politically Correct Defination of Pimp for 2004:
Temporary relationship Consultant.
Now that's something you can put on a business card!
Temporary relationship Consultant.
Now that's something you can put on a business card!
ToronToTo - She was terribly unreliable when it came to scheduling shifts, and that also translated to being less than dependable when it came to returning phone calls, and meeting up as we planned (doesn't help that I'm pretty busy too, like any other normal guy in this city). The agency forced her to abide by a predetermined schedule. So her flakiness with just skipping out on work got better (she's still fairly whimsical, but how is that a bad thing?).
One time we were out watching a movie downtown, and realized that her shift was going to start, and a driver was on the way to pick her up. A few months prior to that, she just would have told the driver to leave, but instead she left the movie part way to start work. It doesn't sound that significant, but you had to know this girl, without someone forcing her to have a measure of self control, 90% of the time she'd just say "screw it" and skip work for the night.
It may sound minor, but I think it's the start of a work ethic and dependability (for which a ton of terbites are probably quite grateful, as I'm sure most of you hated getting the "uh... she didn't show up for work tonight" call when you booked her and she flaked out).
Gala - Derogatory terms aren't determined by us solely. They're based on society's attitude in general. We can't build a language and its implied meanings within small cliques. The fact is that the vast majority of the population considers "whore", "john", and "pimp" as derogatory. Regardless of your attitude towards escorting, as a small group of proponents towards the industry we cannot erase the negative association of words used to describe it by the remainder of the population.
One time we were out watching a movie downtown, and realized that her shift was going to start, and a driver was on the way to pick her up. A few months prior to that, she just would have told the driver to leave, but instead she left the movie part way to start work. It doesn't sound that significant, but you had to know this girl, without someone forcing her to have a measure of self control, 90% of the time she'd just say "screw it" and skip work for the night.
It may sound minor, but I think it's the start of a work ethic and dependability (for which a ton of terbites are probably quite grateful, as I'm sure most of you hated getting the "uh... she didn't show up for work tonight" call when you booked her and she flaked out).
Gala - Derogatory terms aren't determined by us solely. They're based on society's attitude in general. We can't build a language and its implied meanings within small cliques. The fact is that the vast majority of the population considers "whore", "john", and "pimp" as derogatory. Regardless of your attitude towards escorting, as a small group of proponents towards the industry we cannot erase the negative association of words used to describe it by the remainder of the population.
Dorm: I dunno. That's what gays did. The words "gay", "fag", "queer", etc., were all derogatory until eventually gays just had enough of it, organized this little thing called "pride day", and basically took back all the derogatory words for themselves by saying they were proud to be whatever it was they were being called. Now the words have lost their sting entirely, and part of the result is gays are openly accepted where they used to be scorned.
If you're not proud of what you are, you'll always cringe when people call you that, and that's sad. If you can't be the first one to stand up and say there's nothing wrong with what you do, how can you ever expect others to change their minds?
It's already happening. There are already some women who stand up in public and say, "Yup, I'm a prostitute, a whore, whatever you want to call me. So what?" When people are confronted with that, and have a hard time coming up with the so what, things start to change.
It's understandable if you're not brave enough to be the ground breaker, but privately at least, you ought not to think these words are bad--or else you ought to re-examine whether or not maybe you yourself have the same issues as everyone else with what you do.
If you're not proud of what you are, you'll always cringe when people call you that, and that's sad. If you can't be the first one to stand up and say there's nothing wrong with what you do, how can you ever expect others to change their minds?
It's already happening. There are already some women who stand up in public and say, "Yup, I'm a prostitute, a whore, whatever you want to call me. So what?" When people are confronted with that, and have a hard time coming up with the so what, things start to change.
It's understandable if you're not brave enough to be the ground breaker, but privately at least, you ought not to think these words are bad--or else you ought to re-examine whether or not maybe you yourself have the same issues as everyone else with what you do.
Gala - The point I was trying to make is that the larger part of society considers the sex trade industry in unfavourable light. Do you really believe this will change any time soon? Maybe it will one day, but even with active campaigning by all TERB members, I severely doubt that society will change its views in our lifetime. A handful of SPs publicly declaring their profession doesn't make a upward trend. Consider how many escorts there are, and how many attempt to hide their job. Until the sex trade industry is legitimized by society (probably requiring legalization, regulation, education, etc.) it will continue to be seen in a negative light, and the words "whore", "pimp" and "john" will continue to have negative connotations.
EDIT: Oh, the bad vibe associated with homophobia terms is still there. How often do you hear "that's so gay!" used as a slam against something? Or "what a fag!"? I don't recall any of those words being used in a positive manner by general society, regardless of anyone's attitude towards homosexuality. I think the gay population did the right thing in embracing those labels and attempting to defuse it. Still, as of this very second, I do think that those words are still used in a negative way. However, maybe in a few decades time that will erode? But notice that it still took the legitimization of homosexuality (gay marriage, gay/lesbian politicians and celebrities) in order for society to begin eliminating the negative connotation of those words?
What we're discussing are negative connotations associated with words. I do not imply that they reflect what what you or I believe, so please don't put words in my mouth. I *have* dated SPs and Dancers, and have introduced them to friends and family. Though I don't parade myself on a soapbox declaring the sanctity of the SP profession, I do defend their humanity to anyone who I come across that questions it. If you're so progressive as to label me as a cowardly bystander, I do ask what you have done to earn the right to criticize me so?
EDIT: Oh, the bad vibe associated with homophobia terms is still there. How often do you hear "that's so gay!" used as a slam against something? Or "what a fag!"? I don't recall any of those words being used in a positive manner by general society, regardless of anyone's attitude towards homosexuality. I think the gay population did the right thing in embracing those labels and attempting to defuse it. Still, as of this very second, I do think that those words are still used in a negative way. However, maybe in a few decades time that will erode? But notice that it still took the legitimization of homosexuality (gay marriage, gay/lesbian politicians and celebrities) in order for society to begin eliminating the negative connotation of those words?
What we're discussing are negative connotations associated with words. I do not imply that they reflect what what you or I believe, so please don't put words in my mouth. I *have* dated SPs and Dancers, and have introduced them to friends and family. Though I don't parade myself on a soapbox declaring the sanctity of the SP profession, I do defend their humanity to anyone who I come across that questions it. If you're so progressive as to label me as a cowardly bystander, I do ask what you have done to earn the right to criticize me so?
I'd equate 'pimp' more to the word 'hooker'.xarir said:I think pimp is a derogatory term much the same way that "prostitute" is.
However, in its truest sense, there is no question that the word's definition fits.
Bard
