Pierre Berton passes away

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I saw this chap in Rick Mercer's Monday Report on how to make a joint and smoke it.

I think I will remember him for that.
 

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I read his great book Niagara.

I loved it when he took on Marvin Fine the “Phone Pest� of the 1980’s.. …
Remember that guy? Every night the phone would ring and it was a recorded voice of cheery Marvin telling us of how we won a free Gold Vista card and to call now to get your catalog of junk you can buy with this (fake) free Gold Vista card.

Pierre Berton took on Marvin and wrote about it in his column in the Toronto Star. I really enjoyed it and the fact Marvin was squashed like a bug thanks to Pierre.
 

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xix said:
I saw this chap in Rick Mercer's Monday Report on how to make a joint and smoke it.

I think I will remember him for that.
I saw that. I pissed my pants laughing.
 

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Both my parents went to university with him. He was an interesting, sometimes conflicted man, but, it is apparent that he was a great Canadian.
 

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When I was about 13 I met Pierre Berton while going to see the taping of a TV Show called the Great Debate, which he hosted. He was rude and arrogant when I talked to him.
 

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My dad still gets hot under the collar when you mention Pierre Berton. Dad was in the Stratford Festival in the early 60's, and Pierre Berton used to go to the country club after the performances and hang out with the actors. Arrogant and opinionated is how he remembers him, but I agree he had a talent for popularizing history in a readable way. The book on Vimy is a moving and entertaining read about a great moment in Canadian history.
 

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Arrogant and opinionated - definitely - but nonetheless a great Canadian. RIP.
 
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Homo Erectus said:
When I was about 13 I met Pierre Berton while going to see the taping of a TV Show called the Great Debate, which he hosted. He was rude and arrogant when I talked to him.
Oh, well, I'm glad he's dead then.

Great Canadian ? -- - - you got to be kidding!!!!!!!!!
Why not?
 

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I worked at his house years ago. He just sat behind his desk and complained the whole time. His wife was very kind. I feel sorry for her loss.
 

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Well he seemd important enough to be the 1st 2nd and 3rd story on the National tonight. Bush didn't get a whiff for 15 minutes. Burton did makes us look at ourselves.
 

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50 books in 50 years...bringing Canadian history into the realm of popular literature. A unique and memorable contribution to be sure.

A life to be celebrated. A Canadian to be remembered.

Cheers Pierre, here's a toast to you! Merci beaucoup.
 

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Coming on the heels of the "greatest canadian" contest Mr Berton's death seems especially poignant. Here was a guy who's very name reminds one of Canada -- a pround WASP with a French name.

As well as writing fifty books many of which are classic examples of popular history he was a pioneering broadcaster and commentator whose last major public appearance was to teach a generation of young imbibers the proper way to roll a joint.

I doubt there are many households in Canada that do not have a copy of one of Berton's numerous tomes on thier bookshelves -- he was Canada's Garrision Keillor, Bill Moyers and Charles Kurault all rolled into one man.

As well as his public life he was father to eight children and a proud believer in the greatness of this country and the richness of its history.

It is a shame that men like him (along with other Canadian literary figures like Richler, Robertson Davis, Margaret Atwood, Margaret Lawrence) were ignored in the recent greatest canadian contest in lieu of lesser figures like Don Cherry et al.

He lived a long full life and along the way showed all of us along the way that there is no shame in being a part of this country.
 

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lenharper said:
I doubt there are many households in Canada that do not have a copy of one of Berton's numerous tomes on thier bookshelves....

It is a shame that men like him (along with other Canadian literary figures like Richler, Robertson Davis, Margaret Atwood, Margaret Lawrence) were ignored in the recent greatest canadian contest in lieu of lesser figures like Don Cherry et al.
With all due respect lenharper, I don't think the average Canadian household has enough books to fill a bookshelf, much less copies of Pierre Burton's books. I'd hazard a guess that maybe that is why we find Don Cherry in the top ten of the recent contest. A much more accurate statement would be "I doubt there are many households in Canada that do not...watch Hockey Night in Canada, at least during the Stanley Cup playoffs. And of those, half are devoted Don Cherry fans, while the other half can't stand him and are probably literate enough that they might have a copy of a Pierre Burton book in their house."

As you can tell, I am a big Don Cherry fan.
 

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"Great" is a word that should be used reservedly

Pierre Berton was well known in Canada. He wrote a large number of books. He appeared on some Canadian television and radio shows. The topic he was most interested in was Canadian history.

He was also intemperate, arrogant and an intellectual elitist.

But was he a "Great Canadian"?

If that were measured by honours and awards bestowed by Canadian institutions, you would have to agree that he was.

However, that view reflects a rather provincial assessment of Canada within the world and would also promote the "inferiority complex" that has been a problematic part of Canada's identity.

Put another way:

1. Pierre Berton's books didn't sell that many copies, particularly outside of Canada. (BTW, does anyone know of a website which reports book sales from all publishers, much like the RIAA site for music?) Of course, of those sold, even fewer were read! How many people here have even tried to read one of his books? They're hardly page-turners!
2. His television and radio presence was strictly Canadian and flamed out over 30 years ago!
3. His views on Canada were not particularly unifying.

I tend to be more impressed with Canadians who establish their credibility in different fields on the world stage. Yes, that means I would even put certain musicians well ahead of Berton.

We are now living at a time when the original players in modern Canadian media are passing. We seem to be honouring them simply because they were around for as long as they were, rather than for their role in elevating Canada within the world community. Many Canadian media icons are really not that different from those kids, who upon becoming adults, never moved out of their parent's home! I wonder if that makes them "Great Children"?

Berton loved Canada. Canada is great. That doesn't mean that Berton, by extension, was also great.
 
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