Phone records reveal San Bernardino Muslim cleric to be lying: he knew SB jihad murde

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Phone records reveal San Bernardino Muslim cleric to be lying: he knew SB jihad murderers well
Abbassi maintained at a press conference that he didn’t know Farook any better than he knew the reporters in the room. But members of the mosque say Farook was a fixture there. He had been coming to pray and study at least three times a week for two years. In fact, he memorized the Koran at there, something you cannot do without learning Arabic, a subject Abbassi teaches. His other assertion that he never even saw Farook’s wife, Tashfeen Malik, also strains credulity. Malik joined her husband in shooting 35 of his government co-workers at a Christmas party. ‘No one knows anything about his wife,’ assistant imam Mahmood Nadvi agreed. ‘She never came to prayer.’ But longtime mosque member Gasser Shehata, who claimed to have prayed ‘shoulder to shoulder’ with Farook, said Dar-al-Uloom prepared a chicken-and-rice dinner to celebrate the couple’s wedding last year. Reportedly, hundreds of congregants attended the walima reception, including the mosque leadership.” War is deceit, said Muhammad.
The cleric acting as spokesman for the San Bernardino mosque where terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook worshipped claims he barely knew Farook and didn’t know his terrorist wife at all. But phone records and other evidence uncovered by federal investigators cast suspicion on his story.

The FBI has questioned the cleric, Roshan Zamir Abbassi, about his phone communications with Farook — including a flurry of at least 38 messages over a two-week span in June, coinciding with the deadly Muslim terrorist attack on two military sites in Chattanooga, Tenn.

Abbassi, a Pakistani, insists he had nothing to do with the shooting at a San Bernardino County government building five miles from the mosque. While he confirms the text messages with Farook, he claims they were merely discussing food donations for his Dar-al-Uloom al-Islamiya of America mosque.

Abbassi maintained at a press conference that he didn’t know Farook any better than he knew the reporters in the room. But members of the mosque say Farook was a fixture there. He had been coming to pray and study at least three times a week for two years. In fact, he memorized the Koran at there, something you cannot do without learning Arabic, a subject Abbassi teaches.

His other assertion that he never even saw Farook’s wife, Tashfeen Malik, also strains credulity. Malik joined her husband in shooting 35 of his government co-workers at a Christmas party.

“No one knows anything about his wife,” assistant imam Mahmood Nadvi agreed. “She never came to prayer.

But longtime mosque member Gasser Shehata, who claimed to have prayed “shoulder to shoulder” with Farook, said Dar-al-Uloom prepared a chicken-and-rice dinner to celebrate the couple’s wedding last year. Reportedly, hundreds of congregants attended the walima reception, including the mosque leadership.

Asked if Farook was radicalized at the mosque, Abbassi snapped, “Never.” He said the mosque teaches only peace, insisting no one has even an “extremist idea.”

“In Islam,” he said, “we are against innocent killing.”

Abbassi recently posted a message on Facebook condemning the United States and other Western nations for their Mideast policies, arguing they are equally guilty of violence to achieve political and religious goals. His mosque’s Web page features a video claiming that the San Bernardino shooting was carried out by the US government in a “false flag conspiracy,” and that Farook and Malik were “patsies” assassinated “by government-sponsored perpetrators.”

Another person of interest is Abbassi’s brother, Mohammad Sabir Abbassi, a Muslim activist who serves as a trustee and English teacher at the San Diego mosque once headed by the late al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.

FBI Agent Joel Anderson said in court filings that Farook indicated he was a big fan of Awlaki and listened to a series of sermons about jihad and martyrdom called “The Hereafter.”

In his filing, Anderson says Farook studied the ultra-orthodox Islamic sect Tablighi Jamaat. US officials say the cult, with 50,000 members, is rife with jihadists, and jihadi groomers are recruiting at mosques in at least 10 states.

“We have significant presence of Tablighi Jamaat in the United States,” said Assistant FBI Director Michael Heimbach, “and we have found that al Qaeda used them for recruiting.”

Homeland Security Department veteran Philip Haney said Dar-al-Uloom was among the mosques his agency was investigating as part of a probe of the Tablighi movement….
 

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This is kind of like blaming everyone at the gun shows where McVeigh was a fixture. Somehow just being at a mosque or gun show where these guys attended is supposed to malign everyone else there?
 

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This is kind of like blaming everyone at the gun shows where McVeigh was a fixture. Somehow just being at a mosque or gun show where these guys attended is supposed to malign everyone else there?
That's not the point, Abbassi lied about knowing these people, one has to wonder how many other radicals he knows about.
 

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This is kind of like blaming everyone at the gun shows where McVeigh was a fixture. Somehow just being at a mosque or gun show where these guys attended is supposed to malign everyone else there?
I don't know this person....but he came to my workplace where it's my job to administer to his faith 3 times a week. I don't know this person, but I exchanged 38 text messages with him during a short period.

Wanna know the tell Fuji. When he said Islam is against taking innocent life. Because in his books.....if you aren't a Muslim, your not innocent.
 

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I don't know this person....but he came to my workplace where it's my job to administer to his faith 3 times a week. I don't know this person, but I exchanged 38 text messages with him during a short period.

Wanna know the tell Fuji. When he said Islam is against taking innocent life. Because in his books.....if you aren't a Muslim, your not innocent.
Do you hold people who attended gun shows where McVeigh was a constant presence to the same standard?

I guess no.
 

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Do you hold people who attended gun shows where McVeigh was a constant presence to the same standard?

I guess no.
Nope. Because they didn't spend TWO YEARS interacting with him.

In other words yours comparison isn't relevent. If McVeigh had spent two years interacting with a Christian Ministry, Or a Militia Group, or some such then sure, but a travelling gun show where he handed out flyers and everyone ignored him?

Doesn't even come close.

Try another tactic, that one ain't workin'
 

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Nope. Because they didn't spend TWO YEARS interacting with him.

In other words yours comparison isn't relevent. If McVeigh had spent two years interacting with a Christian Ministry, Or a Militia Group, or some such then sure, but a travelling gun show where he handed out flyers and everyone ignored him?

Doesn't even come close.

Try another tactic, that one ain't workin'
They spent FAR MORE than two years interacting with McVeigh. You are right, they were much more involved with McVeigh than any of these Muslims were with the San Bernardino terrorists.

McVeigh was a notable fixture at gun shows for many years and unlike the SB crew openly advertised his viewpoint with videos and other materials, including ATF hats riddled with bullets.

There is no comparison. McVeigh was WAY more obvious in his community than they were.

One rule for Muslims and a different rule fit right wing agitators. Total hypocrisy.
 

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They spent FAR MORE than two years interacting with McVeigh. You are right, they were much more involved with McVeigh than any of these Muslims were with the San Bernardino terrorists.

McVeigh was a notable fixture at gun shows for many years and unlike the SB crew openly advertised his viewpoint with videos and other materials, including ATF hats riddled with bullets.

There is no comparison. McVeigh was WAY more obvious in his community than they were.

One rule for Muslims and a different rule fit right wing agitators. Total hypocrisy.
Fuji. It's still apples and oranges. They weren't interacting with McVeigh. More than likely they were at best tolerating him.

I would add it was a different world then. Soviet Union was falling. USA was on top. Clinton In. The peace dividend was about to arrive. The last thing on anyone's mind was terrorism. That's why it was so easy for him to set up. No one saw it coming.

Now though they realize, just like the signs you say for him, that when these triggers can be seen then it's time to preemptively act. And sorry to say but the Mosques appear to be a haven for this, just the gun shows if what you say is true for the right wing kooks.

So fine monitor them both. And the crazy ones within. But don't tell me we shouldn't because we didn't 20 years ago. That is not a reason to bypass the obvious.
 

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But don't tell me we shouldn't because we didn't 20 years ago. That is not a reason to bypass the obvious.
Agreed. I think reasonable and rational people are concern about the here and now. Timothy McVeigh (nor the IRA, his other favourite) is currently a threat to anybody.
 

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Fuji. It's still apples and oranges. They weren't interacting with McVeigh. More than likely they were at best tolerating him.

I would add it was a different world then. Soviet Union was falling. USA was on top. Clinton In. The peace dividend was about to arrive. The last thing on anyone's mind was terrorism. That's why it was so easy for him to set up. No one saw it coming.

Now though they realize, just like the signs you say for him, that when these triggers can be seen then it's time to preemptively act. And sorry to say but the Mosques appear to be a haven for this, just the gun shows if what you say is true for the right wing kooks.

So fine monitor them both. And the crazy ones within. But don't tell me we shouldn't because we didn't 20 years ago. That is not a reason to bypass the obvious.
Yes, they were interacting with McVeigh. Very much so. He had a booth at those gun shows and was an integral part of that community. He was a fixture. He distributed videos and materials and he engaged with and talked to lots of people, he talked to everyone who would listen, but none of them turned him in. After the attack the FBI was able to prove in court that one of them even knew McVeigh was planning the attack itself, and convicted him as an accessory. No doubt many others also at least suspected, but nobody turned him in.

They interacted with him WAAAAAY more than just going to the same mosque.

Again, you have one set of rules for Muslims and a different set of rules for right wing conspirators.
 

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I hope he was dumb enough to lie to the federal investigators.
 

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I hope he was dumb enough to lie to the federal investigators.
One was. And went to jail as an accessory.

Lots more likely suspected but said nothing. A right wing extremists operated freely in the midst of Republican and NRA events and nobody turned him in.

Why didn't moderate Republicans assist the authorities and turn McVeigh in before he killed people?
 

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One was. And went to jail as an accessory.

Lots more likely suspected but said nothing. A right wing extremists operated freely in the midst of Republican and NRA events and nobody turned him in.

Why didn't moderate Republicans assist the authorities and turn McVeigh in before he killed people?
And what the fuck does McVeigh have to do with the terror attack in San Bernardino? You really are a special kind of idiot Pathetic.
 

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And what the fuck does McVeigh have to do with the terror attack in San Bernardino? You really are a special kind of idiot Pathetic.
It serves to highlight your hypocrisy, which must be mighty uncomfortable. You guys go about with one set of rules for Muslims, bleating and mooing that moderates didn't turn them in, but you don't apply the same standard when it is a right wing nut
 

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It serves to highlight your hypocrisy, which must be mighty uncomfortable. You guys go about with one set of rules for Muslims, bleating and mooing that moderates didn't turn them in, but you don't apply the same standard when it is a right wing nut
20 years apart in a VERY different world... you really are a whole new level of loser.
 

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20 years apart in a VERY different world... you really are a whole new level of loser.
So you think it was OK that right wing moderates didn't speak out against terrorism and protected McVeigh?

Wow.

You can make a million bullshit excuses for your crap but it is HYPOCRISY.
 

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So you think it was OK that right wing moderates didn't speak out against terrorism and protected McVeigh?

Wow.

You can make a million bullshit excuses for your crap but it is HYPOCRISY.
Was there an alarming trend of Christian nut cases engaging in domestic terrorism at the time?
Didn't think so.

Maybe we should also monitor all Catholic churches now because, you know, The Crusades hundreds of years ago.
But we aren't monitoring all Catholic churches right now because of The Crusades. According to you that is HYPOCRISY as well.
 

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Yes there had been a number of increasingly violent acts against the government by radical right nuts. The FBI considered them a serious threat.

Certainly if Muslims who attend the same mosque as an extremist are expected to be held accountable for the actions of the extremist they hardly knew or interacted with, then attendees at gun shows who listened to McVeigh's screed and saw the ATF hats with bullet holes, or even bought one, ought to be considered morally responsible for his crimes.
 

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Yes there had been a number of increasingly violent acts against the government by radical right nuts. The FBI considered them a serious threat.

Certainly if Muslims who attend the same mosque as an extremist are expected to be held accountable for the actions of the extremist they hardly knew or interacted with, then attendees at gun shows who listened to McVeigh's screed and saw the ATF hats with bullet holes, or even bought one, ought to be considered morally responsible for his crimes.
Wow... you really are a piece of work.
 
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