Pharmaceutical propaganda

[Insidious Von]

Do you believe what Pfizer and Moderna is selling on the vaccine?

How can they develop an antidote for Covid - 19 when the flu shot is only %60 effective. Is Covid 19 a simpler virus to treat, if so why wasn't a vaccine developed sooner. I'll wait for UofT Labs to come out with their vaccine, they have a better track record and they're not for profit.

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/big-pharma-coronavirus-treatment-price-gouging/

 

[Gooseifur]

Do you believe what Pfizer and Moderna is selling on the vaccine?

How can they develop an antidote for Covid - 19 when the flu shot is only %60 effective. Is Covid 19 a simpler virus to treat, if so why wasn't a vaccine developed sooner. I'll wait for UofT Labs to come out with their vaccine, they have a better track record and they're not for profit.

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/big-pharma-coronavirus-treatment-price-gouging/

They did it to drive their stock price up. I agree with you about questioning the effectivness of the vaccine.

 

[Bigdaug]

Do you believe what Pfizer and Moderna is selling on the vaccine?

How can they develop an antidote for Covid - 19 when the flu shot is only %60 effective. Is Covid 19 a simpler virus to treat, if so why wasn't a vaccine developed sooner. I'll wait for UofT Labs to come out with their vaccine, they have a better track record and they're not for profit.

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/big-pharma-coronavirus-treatment-price-gouging/

The CEO sold most of his shares the next day not sure how to put the link up

 

[lenny2]

How can they develop an antidote for Covid - 19 when the flu shot is only %60 effective.

They are not the same. The flu virus is radically different from C-19.

Antidote? A vaccine isn't an antidote:

What is the major difference between vaccines and antidotes?

Answer (1 of 12): A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins, or on...

www.quora.com

It's not just one vaccine that has been reported to be highly effective, but at least three. The reports indicated two in the 90% effectiveness range & another at at least 70%. Do you think they are all fibbing?

Is Covid 19 a simpler virus to treat, if so why wasn't a vaccine developed sooner.

It wasn't realistically possible. It takes time to develop a safe vaccine. And even some of those being developed are being fast tracked & developed much more quickly than normal. For this reason there are concerns about how safe they will be.

A vaccine isn't a treatment. And covid is evidently more difficult to treat.

 

[Insidious Von]

They are not the same. The flu virus is radically different from C-19.

I'm keen to learn more, please explain.

 

[shack]

How can they develop an antidote for Covid - 19 when the flu shot is only %60 effective. Is Covid 19 a simpler virus to treat,

I believe that there are many more strains of flu virus than covid. With covid, they can zero in it more so than the flu. They don't always know in advance which flu virus will be the dominant one.

if so why wasn't a vaccine developed sooner. I'll wait for UofT Labs to come out with their vaccine, they have a better track record and they're not for profit.

Actually, this vaccine was developed in record time.

U of T has holdings of billions of dollars. Not sure how they do that without making some profits along the way.

 

[Insidious Von]

U of T has holdings of billions of dollars. Not sure how they do that without making some profits along the way.

Part of their formula is prestige, UofT School of Medicine is in the Top 3 of North America. A medical degree from them gets you licensed to practice medicine anywhere in the world - even China. And they do extremely well on tuition, Canadians pay $23,000.00 a year but they make most of their money from International students at $91,000.00 a year. And that doesn't deter them from coming.

 

[jalimon]

I suggest this read if you want to understand the % of efficacy they came up with:

2 Companies Say Their Vaccines Are 95% Effective. What Does That Mean? (Published 2020)

You might assume that 95 out of every 100 people vaccinated will be protected from Covid-19. But that’s not how the math works.

www.nytimes.com

Not sure but I do not think you can compare it to the yearly effective rate of the Flu. Which is probably calculated differently as these are not under trials anymore.

 

[basketcase]

Do you believe what Pfizer and Moderna is selling on the vaccine?

How can they develop an antidote for Covid - 19 when the flu shot is only %60 effective. Is Covid 19 a simpler virus to treat, if so why wasn't a vaccine developed sooner. I'll wait for UofT Labs to come out with their vaccine, they have a better track record and they're not for profit.

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/big-pharma-coronavirus-treatment-price-gouging/

1) Yes. Go beyond the headlines and read what their data says.
Of course they are happy to promote it as these announcements drive orders for their product but as far as the statistical analysis they presented, it makes sense. That said, most people have not bothered how these 90%+ numbers were come up with and they are not as absolute conclusions as you might think since they can not intentionally expose participants to covid.
2) Antidote? Do you think that is the correct term?
3) From what we have seen so far, the flu is more mutagenic than covid meaning a vaccine is easier to create. They also weren't starting from scratch. They spent years working on similar coronaviruses like SARS and MERS that were discontinued mainly because the medical efforts made those vaccines unprofitable.

 

[shack]

Part of their formula is prestige, UofT School of Medicine is in the Top 3 of North America. A medical degree from them gets you licensed to practice medicine anywhere in the world - even China. And they do extremely well on tuition, Canadians pay $23,000.00 a year but they make most of their money from International students at $91,000.00 a year. And that doesn't deter them from coming.

So they are making profit from tuition. Not that I care, but I was wondering about the statement that UofT is a non-profit.

 

[basketcase]

So they are making profit from tuition. Not that I care, but I was wondering about the statement that UofT is a non-profit.

And donations and real estate.

Non-profit doesn't mean they can't make money, just that they need to reinvest it.

 

[shack]

And donations and real estate.

Non-profit doesn't mean they can't make money, just that they need to reinvest it.

OK. I suspect that their real estate holdings are their biggest asset. That land downtown is prime real estate, let alone the sprawling campuses of Scarb and Erindale.

 

[basketcase]

OK. I suspect that their real estate holdings are their biggest asset. That land downtown is prime real estate, let alone the sprawling campuses of Scarb and Erindale.

I go by there fairly often and they are constantly putting up new buildings as a result of their profits and donations.

 

[shack]

I go by there fairly often and they are constantly putting up new buildings as a result of their profits and donations.

Undoubtedly. Just speculating what their real estate holdings must be worth. Imagine what developers would pay for land close to Bloor St.

 

[Rako3]

Do you believe what Pfizer and Moderna is selling on the vaccine?

How can they develop an antidote for Covid - 19 when the flu shot is only %60 effective. Is Covid 19 a simpler virus to treat, if so why wasn't a vaccine developed sooner. I'll wait for UofT Labs to come out with their vaccine, they have a better track record and they're not for profit.

https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/big-pharma-coronavirus-treatment-price-gouging/

I am never surprised when I hear stories revealing that medical treatments turn out to be ineffective, that expensive drugs are worthless, that pharma companies have sold us a bill of goods. So I'm primed for this to not work. But I'm also extremely hopeful, and with the eyes of the world on them, I would hope they're being extra careful to get it right and not embarrass themselves, let alone the damage to the company that a bad vaccine reaction can unleash. And we'll be able to see what the results are -- when millions of people get vaccinated, the pandemic will slow and stop, or not! Again, I'm hopeful that the vaccines will be good enough and safe enough that we'll be out of the pandemic come spring, as some optimistic projections suggest.

 

[Insidious Von]

I'm very skeptical since I've been sold an expensive bad bill of goods in the past.

The car accident I was in seven years ago has destroyed my life. Since then I've been prescribed a cocktail of drugs that have been somewhat ineffectual to downright useless. Among the first was Topamax, it was extremely powerful. It's an anti - stroke medication given to people who've sustained serious concussion. I found out later that Sydney Crosby was on it as well - which explains why he appeared so dopey at times. While on it I had difficulty getting out of bed, I used up the samples that the neurologist gave but didn't refill the prescription. Everything else after that was a dubious mixed bag.

Now I'm being told to give Stelara a chance, I've almost given up hope of getting my life back.

 

[Fun For All]

I'm very skeptical since I've been sold an expensive bad bill of goods in the past.

The car accident I was in seven years ago has destroyed my life. Since then I've been prescribed a cocktail of drugs that have been somewhat ineffectual to downright useless. Among the first was Topamax, it was extremely powerful. It's an anti - stroke medication given to people who've sustained serious concussion. I found out later that Sydney Crosby was on it as well - which explains why he appeared so dopey at times. While on it I had difficulty getting out of bed, I used up the samples that the neurologist gave but didn't refill the prescription. Everything else after that was a dubious mixed bag.

Now I'm being told to give Stelara a chance, I've almost given up hope of getting my life back.

If you are unsatisfied with your care I would seek out another opinion.

 

[basketcase]

Undoubtedly. Just speculating what their real estate holdings must be worth. Imagine what developers would pay for land close to Bloor St.

I recall hearing that they are the largest and wealthiest land owner in the city. Huge chunk of property from Yonge to Spadina and Bloor to College.

Being a non-profit though, any sales to developers (and I think there have been sales along Bloor) would have to be reinvested in something

 

[basketcase]

I'm very skeptical since I've been sold an expensive bad bill of goods in the past.

The car accident I was in seven years ago has destroyed my life. Since then I've been prescribed a cocktail of drugs that have been somewhat ineffectual to downright useless. Among the first was Topamax, it was extremely powerful. It's an anti - stroke medication given to people who've sustained serious concussion. I found out later that Sydney Crosby was on it as well - which explains why he appeared so dopey at times. While on it I had difficulty getting out of bed, I used up the samples that the neurologist gave but didn't refill the prescription. Everything else after that was a dubious mixed bag.

Now I'm being told to give Stelara a chance, I've almost given up hope of getting my life back.

Despite the side effects, you didn't have a stroke. I would expect that approval for medications would follow the same standard used in most medicine; does the benefit outweigh the cost.

Might not have anything to do with your case but I've done some reading about the impact of genetics on effectiveness of medications. It seems we're getting close to being able to tailor certain treatments based on genetic testing to eliminate the sometimes lengthy trial and error to find one that works.

 

[Insidious Von]

True, Topamax worked best, I had trouble getting out of bed but it restored sensation to my fingers. I couldn't get refills, didn't want to be a bed/couch potato.

Now there's a report that the North Koreans attempted to hack the South's vaccine development. The Nillsbury Doughboy's subjects must be hurting bad - maybe he can nuke the virus away?