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FBI obtained the use of the most invasive level of electronic surveillance ever created by telling courts a US Citizen was an: ACTIVE INTELLIGENCE AGENT FOR RUSSIA.
By definition, that makes this man a LYNCHPIN figure. Isn’t it time we found out: WHO IS CARTER PAGE?
To spy on Americans via FISA, the FBI must show the target is an "AGENT OF A FOREIGN POWER," not merely in CONTACT with a said power.
Here’s an ACTUAL “agent of a foreign power” in action for REFERENCE: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/07/ex-british-spy-christopher-steele-interviewed-russia-election/
The law makes it hard to show one is an "AGENT OF A FOREIGN POWER" to make sure its not misused to spy on Americans. One must be “ENGAGING IN ESPIONAGE, TERRORISM, OR SABOTAGE” on behalf of a foreign power in a way that involves CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS. Reference:
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fisa_title_i_summary.pdf
To claim its “probable” a Citizen might be engaging in seditious crimes seems far higher a bar than it would take to reach any of the actual indictments secured against Papadopoulos & Flynn (lying) or Manafort & Gates (laundering).
You google Carter Page. All you get is rumors and lies:
He’s “been of interest to Feds since 2013”
There was a “full investigation open on him”
He’s been wiretapped “since” 2013
He drew suspicion
It’s ALL LIES.
EVERY.
SINGLE.
LINE.
Let’s go straight to the source, to find out about the FBI’s purported ‘suspicion’ of Page in 2013. Here are the Russian’s Page was ‘associated’ with. Interesting… this is a major bust of Russian spies. Pretty serious.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/evgeny-buryakov-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-connection-conspiracy-work
Let’s see how Page was involved. We know he was analyst from a “investment company in New Work called Global Energy Capital & provided docs about energy to the Russians”, so...
Oh! What’s this? Why is DOJ press release telling me Page is UNDERCOVER EMPLOYEE of FBI?
So correcting the FakeNews:
He’s been “of interest” to Feds since 2013 = AN EMPLOYEE
He’s been “wiretapped” since 2013 = PLANTING THE TAPS
He drew “suspicion” = CONVICTIONS
HE MIC'D THESE SPIES BY HAND!
Page had been working Russians directly for at least 2 years, beginning in 2012. He worked this case UNDERCOVER FOR 4 YEARS until a guilty plea was secured in March 2016.
BY OCTOBER 2016 HE’S BEING LABELED BY THE SAME FBI AS A FOREIGN AGENT OF RUSSIA.
How?
According to sources, i.e. Gowdy who AUTHORED the Memo & viewed underlying FISA application, the warrant for Page was secured by evidence in the FOLLOWING ORDER:
1) Lying Dossier
2) Planted Lying Dossier Article
3) Papadopoulos Case = 100% Unrelated
4) Page’s “History”
Since we know items 1-3 are COMPLETE HORSECRAP, we better get hoppin on the ONLY OTHER EVIDENCE OFFERED, which was the “PAGE HISTORY”. I mean it must be REALLY BAD, since 1-3 = NADA, right? So let’s get to the bottom.
Let’s start w college. US Naval Academy. Whats that?
In 2016, U.S. News & World Report ranked the U.S. Naval Academy as the No. 1 public liberal arts college and tied for the 12th best overall liberal arts college in the U.S.
The class of 2020 had 1,355 offers of made to 17,043 applicants. That’s 7.9% admitted. Not shabby.
Prospective candidates MUST EITHER BE NOMINATED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, THE PRESIDENT OR VICE-PRESIDENT, THE SECRETARY OF THE NAVY—OR BE THE CHILD OF A MEDAL OF HONOR RECIPIENT.
WHAT?
This sounds something like a GROOMING SCHOOL for VERY VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE.
Graduates include over 50 U.S. astronauts (including 6 who flew to the Moon), more than from any other undergraduate institution in the U.S. Over 990 noted scholars in a variety of academic fields are Academy grads, including 46 Rhodes Scholars and 24 Marshall Scholars.
Moral and ethical development is fundamental to all aspects of the Naval Academy. The Officer Development Program focuses on integrity, honor, and mutual respect based on moral values of respect for human dignity, respect for honesty and respect for property of others.”
More detail on the moral development of Naval Midshipmen... Ugh.
Is ALL THIS IN THE FISA APP? Jesus...
REMINDER: We’re still working on that important PAGE HISTORY. I’m sure we’ll get to the BAD STUFF soon!
Let’s forget about this overwhelming focus on stuff like “Integrity” and “Honor Concept” and find the bad stuff…
Page graduated in '93 as a Distinguished Graduate (top 10%) & was chosen for Navy's TRIDENT SCHOLAR PROGRAM.
WTh is THAT? Oh crap, sounds like more GROOMING.
During his senior year at the Naval Academy, Page worked as researcher for the House Armed Services Committee. He wrote this:
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a271110.pdf
What a wild coincidence. His Project Trident Scholar report written 25 years ago is all about how SECRECY = POLITICAL POWER and the BALANCE BETWEEN LEGISLATIVE & EXECUTIVE over said POWER.
We’ll RETURN to this, but I’m too busy now looking for the BAD STUFF.
ONWARD!
To be continued.
By definition, that makes this man a LYNCHPIN figure. Isn’t it time we found out: WHO IS CARTER PAGE?
To spy on Americans via FISA, the FBI must show the target is an "AGENT OF A FOREIGN POWER," not merely in CONTACT with a said power.
Here’s an ACTUAL “agent of a foreign power” in action for REFERENCE: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/07/ex-british-spy-christopher-steele-interviewed-russia-election/
The law makes it hard to show one is an "AGENT OF A FOREIGN POWER" to make sure its not misused to spy on Americans. One must be “ENGAGING IN ESPIONAGE, TERRORISM, OR SABOTAGE” on behalf of a foreign power in a way that involves CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS. Reference:
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fisa_title_i_summary.pdf
To claim its “probable” a Citizen might be engaging in seditious crimes seems far higher a bar than it would take to reach any of the actual indictments secured against Papadopoulos & Flynn (lying) or Manafort & Gates (laundering).
You google Carter Page. All you get is rumors and lies:
He’s “been of interest to Feds since 2013”
There was a “full investigation open on him”
He’s been wiretapped “since” 2013
He drew suspicion
It’s ALL LIES.
EVERY.
SINGLE.
LINE.
Let’s go straight to the source, to find out about the FBI’s purported ‘suspicion’ of Page in 2013. Here are the Russian’s Page was ‘associated’ with. Interesting… this is a major bust of Russian spies. Pretty serious.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/evgeny-buryakov-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-connection-conspiracy-work
Let’s see how Page was involved. We know he was analyst from a “investment company in New Work called Global Energy Capital & provided docs about energy to the Russians”, so...
Oh! What’s this? Why is DOJ press release telling me Page is UNDERCOVER EMPLOYEE of FBI?
So correcting the FakeNews:
He’s been “of interest” to Feds since 2013 = AN EMPLOYEE
He’s been “wiretapped” since 2013 = PLANTING THE TAPS
He drew “suspicion” = CONVICTIONS
HE MIC'D THESE SPIES BY HAND!
Page had been working Russians directly for at least 2 years, beginning in 2012. He worked this case UNDERCOVER FOR 4 YEARS until a guilty plea was secured in March 2016.
BY OCTOBER 2016 HE’S BEING LABELED BY THE SAME FBI AS A FOREIGN AGENT OF RUSSIA.
How?
According to sources, i.e. Gowdy who AUTHORED the Memo & viewed underlying FISA application, the warrant for Page was secured by evidence in the FOLLOWING ORDER:
1) Lying Dossier
2) Planted Lying Dossier Article
3) Papadopoulos Case = 100% Unrelated
4) Page’s “History”
Since we know items 1-3 are COMPLETE HORSECRAP, we better get hoppin on the ONLY OTHER EVIDENCE OFFERED, which was the “PAGE HISTORY”. I mean it must be REALLY BAD, since 1-3 = NADA, right? So let’s get to the bottom.
Let’s start w college. US Naval Academy. Whats that?
In 2016, U.S. News & World Report ranked the U.S. Naval Academy as the No. 1 public liberal arts college and tied for the 12th best overall liberal arts college in the U.S.
The class of 2020 had 1,355 offers of made to 17,043 applicants. That’s 7.9% admitted. Not shabby.
Prospective candidates MUST EITHER BE NOMINATED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, THE PRESIDENT OR VICE-PRESIDENT, THE SECRETARY OF THE NAVY—OR BE THE CHILD OF A MEDAL OF HONOR RECIPIENT.
WHAT?
This sounds something like a GROOMING SCHOOL for VERY VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE.
Graduates include over 50 U.S. astronauts (including 6 who flew to the Moon), more than from any other undergraduate institution in the U.S. Over 990 noted scholars in a variety of academic fields are Academy grads, including 46 Rhodes Scholars and 24 Marshall Scholars.
Moral and ethical development is fundamental to all aspects of the Naval Academy. The Officer Development Program focuses on integrity, honor, and mutual respect based on moral values of respect for human dignity, respect for honesty and respect for property of others.”
More detail on the moral development of Naval Midshipmen... Ugh.
Is ALL THIS IN THE FISA APP? Jesus...
REMINDER: We’re still working on that important PAGE HISTORY. I’m sure we’ll get to the BAD STUFF soon!
Let’s forget about this overwhelming focus on stuff like “Integrity” and “Honor Concept” and find the bad stuff…
Page graduated in '93 as a Distinguished Graduate (top 10%) & was chosen for Navy's TRIDENT SCHOLAR PROGRAM.
WTh is THAT? Oh crap, sounds like more GROOMING.
During his senior year at the Naval Academy, Page worked as researcher for the House Armed Services Committee. He wrote this:
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a271110.pdf
What a wild coincidence. His Project Trident Scholar report written 25 years ago is all about how SECRECY = POLITICAL POWER and the BALANCE BETWEEN LEGISLATIVE & EXECUTIVE over said POWER.
We’ll RETURN to this, but I’m too busy now looking for the BAD STUFF.
ONWARD!
To be continued.
I really don't meed a lecture about eveidn4tiary principals from someone who respectfully does not understand them. Although you think you do you clearly do not. Several posts ago I tried in a very rudimentary way to explain the application. Nothing about your fact situation or your assertions fits that simple explanation. I do appreciate that you have made an attempt to understand and you may very well believe that you don't. Trying then to buttress an misconception of the law with debunked conspiracies is really not productive and I am not prepared to wast my time further. At least with this. I made an attempt to explain it to you and either I have failed or the attempt was futile because you do not wish to understand something which does . I either event I am done. Interpret this as capitulation or anything else you like.
I accept that you don't wish to discuss this further. Fair enough. However, you should bear in mind that some (like myself) see the wisdom in declining to provide any personal (and therefore potentially identifying) information about themselves on the internet, particularly on such a forum. As a result, you should be wary of making assumptions about what others do or don't understand, and instead focus on substantive discussions if you feel that incorrect information or analysis is being shared.
I understand the need for anonymity and I am not questioning your intelligence. I am, however, suggesting that you are either missing the point or your desire to make a point is clouding your ability to listen or understand. In either event your understanding of the application of the principal of chain of custody is in error.
I am always happy to engage in a substantive debate on most topics. I remain so. Arguing about the application of a principal is not a substantive debate.
