Heard on the 600 pm news that old Bud Selig is again contemplating reinstating Pete "the bad haircut" Rose. Whaddya think?
Pete Rose
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Pete deserves to be in the baseball HOL based on what he did "between the white lines". It is a baseball HOL and not a perfect human being HOF.
I agree. Rose should definitely be in the Hall of Fame, unfortunately, I don't think it will ever happen.Rockslinger said:Pete deserves to be in the baseball HOL based on what he did "between the white lines". It is a baseball HOL and not a perfect human being HOF.
Actually his reinstatement is not directly related to the Hall of Fame issue. The Hall of Fame is totally independent of MLB. They have just made there own choice not to include Rose on the ballot.Rockslinger said:Pete deserves to be in the baseball HOL based on what he did "between the white lines". It is a baseball HOL and not a perfect human being HOF.
The reinstatement issue that Selig is contemplating is whether Rose can actually be employed by any major league teams going forward.
As an offshoot, the Hall of Fame committee, may then decide to follow MLB's reinstatement lead and then make him eligible for the HOF.
If you're talking a job in baseball, I could probably agree,The Bandit said:I think he's done his time...let him in before he dies.
If you're talking HOF, no way. HOF is strictly an honour. Not getting in does not affect you making a living and is not the same as doing jail time (such as Michael Vick, who I believe should be reinstated). He disrespected the game that made him rich and famous by betting on it while he had direct influence on games. Then he arrogantly denied, denied, denied until he was backed into a corner. He broke the rules and was a weasel.
His accomplishments on the field are still available for all to see in the record books and compare to others whether he is in the HOF or not. It is not an honour that he is deserving of since he did not honour the game itself.
Amen shack. There is one capital offense in baseball and that is betting on the game. Everyone involved in the sport knows this. It's posted in every clubhouse. Gambling almost killed the game in 1919 and it can't be tolerated. Rose bet on games, games that he was involved in. He is absolutely not worthy of being honored in Baseball's Hall of Fame.
What Rose did on the field is already represented in the record books and in the National Baseball Museum. That's enough and as it should be.
What Rose did on the field is already represented in the record books and in the National Baseball Museum. That's enough and as it should be.
Not one of you has mentioned this: It was never proven that he bet AGAINST his team. He maintains that when he bet, it was on his team to win. This doesn't excuse the fact that he broke the rules. It is an important fact nonetheless.
True, he broke the rules... and he paid the price.
But the reaction by MLB is very much overblown in political correctness and prissyness... much worse has happened in baseball that is totally overlooked...
I say cut Charlie Hustle some slack... one of the best players ever to step between the lines... looks very much like a witch hunt IMHO!
Perry
But the reaction by MLB is very much overblown in political correctness and prissyness... much worse has happened in baseball that is totally overlooked...
I say cut Charlie Hustle some slack... one of the best players ever to step between the lines... looks very much like a witch hunt IMHO!
Perry
Ironic that if Pete Rose hadn't been a baseball manager after he retired, he'd be in the Hall-of-Fame.
Slightly off-topic: I'm still very surprised MLB allowed a AAA team to operate in Las Vegas. The temptations to gamble must be nerve-racking for the players.
Question: Are other professional sports as anal as MLB when it comes to gambling? Seems that everytime there's a poker tournament (that's not gambling?) on tv, there are star athletes playing. Am i supposed to believe that the likes of Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley & Antoine Walker never bet on NBA games when they were playing (or in Jordan's case, a co-owner of a team?)? Weren't former owners in various leagues (e.g Jimmy Norris in the NHL) notorious gamblers with ties to organized crime?
Slightly off-topic: I'm still very surprised MLB allowed a AAA team to operate in Las Vegas. The temptations to gamble must be nerve-racking for the players.
Question: Are other professional sports as anal as MLB when it comes to gambling? Seems that everytime there's a poker tournament (that's not gambling?) on tv, there are star athletes playing. Am i supposed to believe that the likes of Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley & Antoine Walker never bet on NBA games when they were playing (or in Jordan's case, a co-owner of a team?)? Weren't former owners in various leagues (e.g Jimmy Norris in the NHL) notorious gamblers with ties to organized crime?
And maybe on the games he didn't bet, he didn't manage as hard as when he did bet. That in itself can skew the results/standings of the other teams.Hurricane Hank said:Not one of you has mentioned this: It was never proven that he bet AGAINST his team. He maintains that when he bet, it was on his team to win. This doesn't excuse the fact that he broke the rules. It is an important fact nonetheless.
So you don't have to bet against your team to still affect the results.
First off, I was a very big fan of Pete Rose as a player and watched with interest as he managed the Reds after his playing days. That said there is NO WAY he should be re-instated. He had to know what he was doing was terribly wrong yet he kept it up and by all accounts his betting escalated ... including betting on his own team which is absolutely moronic. Then when caught he lied about it. After many years he finally admitted to his misdoings. But that in itself does not clear what he did and I'm sure even in his own heart he knows that. Baseball does not need another black-eye. Sorry Charlie Hustle. You made your bed now lie in it. No pun intended.
Eric Davis was a little banged up. What game do you think he played him risking injury?Hurricane Hank said:Not one of you has mentioned this: It was never proven that he bet AGAINST his team. He maintains that when he bet, it was on his team to win. This doesn't excuse the fact that he broke the rules. It is an important fact nonetheless.
Rob Murphy was awesome in the pen. What nights do you think Pete extended him more then he probably should have?
Can you measure those things? I can't. We will never know. I don't want him in the HOF as a manager. But, he deserves to be there as a player.
Actually, I don't care if MLB lets him back at all. Just put him in the HOF.
Actually, I don't care if MLB lets him back at all. Just put him in the HOF.
Agreed. What he did after he retired as an active player shouldn't impact his entry as a player into the HOL. For example, is OJ Simpson still in the NFL HOL?Hurricane Hank said:I don't want him in the HOF as a manager. But, he deserves to be there as a player.
OJ was elected to the football HoF nine years before he had his famous run in with the law. Taking down someone's plaque is a little different from preventing their future election.Rockslinger said:Agreed. What he did after he retired as an active player shouldn't impact his entry as a player into the HOL. For example, is OJ Simpson still in the NFL HOL?
O.J.'s transgressions had nothing at all to do with his sport. Pete Rose bet on his sport while managing games. Huge difference.Rockslinger said:Agreed. What he did after he retired as an active player shouldn't impact his entry as a player into the HOL. For example, is OJ Simpson still in the NFL HOL?
I remember this Jim Gray interview.
fantastic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4fmEbgKeh0
I am a Pete Rose fan, but totally get the ban.
fantastic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4fmEbgKeh0
I am a Pete Rose fan, but totally get the ban.
Shack. Please see what some of us are trying to say. We agree, he fucked up by betting while he was a manager. Don't allow him to participate in the league any more. BUT, put him in the HOF as a PLAYER.shack said:O.J.'s transgressions had nothing at all to do with his sport. Pete Rose bet on his sport while managing games. Huge difference.
