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canada-man said:
ONLY AMERICAN organizations promoting this junk science invented in 1986 in 7 african nations cut men have higher rates of HIV


EXPLAIN WHY THE U.S HAS THE HIGHEST STD RATES IN THE FIRST WORLD? most american males are cut?



Rwanda

HIV Rates
Circumcised men
3.8%

Intact men
2.1%

(Women
3.6%



http://www.measuredhs.com/pubs/pdf/FR183/15Chapter15.pdf
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And then another study will come along to refute that study!

I know for a fact circumcision reduces STD's.
But its not 100% foolproof, nothing is
 
Cycleguy007 said:
OK! We get it Canada-Man! We ALL KNOW you are the preacher boy for "uncircumcision", (One only look as far as your signature line...) but there ain't a dam thing we can do about it now... (since most of us had it done at birth) so can you please give it a rest. :rolleyes:
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it is thier body thier choice nobody has the right to cut of parts of genitals on non-consenting individuals
 
canada-man said:
ONLY AMERICAN organizations promoting this junk science invented in 1986
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From the same people that brought you "Black Helicopters", the Israelis blew up the World Trade Center, the Dali Lama wants to destroy the PRC and other such concepts. . . . We bring you it’s fake medicine. :rolleyes:
 
canada-man said:
it is thier body thier choice nobody has the right to cut of parts of genitals on non-consenting individuals
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I bet if you talk to most guys they are glad their parents circumcised them.
I know I am
 
The LoLRus said:
And then another study will come along to refute that study!

I know for a fact circumcision reduces STD's.
But its not 100% foolproof, nothing is
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then why don't you explain why circumcising U.S.A has the highest rates of STD/HIV rates in the developed world while Intact Japan and western Europe have the lowest rates? Africa's problems are caused by poverty, lack of infrastructure especially in health care
 
Aardvark154 said:
From the same people that brought you "Black Helicopters", the Israelis blew up the World Trade Center, the Dali Lama wants to destroy the PRC and other such concepts. . . . We bring you it’s fake medicine
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You left out my personal favourite, the tainted polio vaccines in Africa.

Some african govts stopped the vaccine program and everyone started getting polio again :rolleyes:
 
Aardvark154 said:
From the same people that brought you "Black Helicopters", the Israelis blew up the World Trade Center, the Dali Lama wants to destroy the PRC and other such concepts. . . . We bring you it’s fake medicine. :rolleyes:
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explain why no other rich nations in europe and Japanworldand no other medical associations around the don't recomend routine circumcision?
 
canada-man said:
then why don't you explain why circumcising U.S.A has the highest rates of STD/HIV rates in the developed world while Intact Japan and western Europe have the lowest rates? Africa's problems are caused by poverty, lack of infrastructure especially in health care
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Going by who's studies??? The ones you cherry-picked???

I'm too lazy to google but could probably find dozens of pro-circumcision studies that refute yours
 
The LoLRus said:
I bet if you talk to most guys they are glad their parents circumcised them.
I know I am
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and that justifies the mutilation of unconsenting babyboys?
 
Lets start with number 1

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-04/aua-acr041409.php

Adult circumcision reduces risk of HIV transmission without reducing sexual pleasure

LINTHICUM, MD, April 26, 2009–Two studies presented at the 104th Annual Scientific Meeting of the American Urological Association (AUA) show that adult circumcision reduces the risk of contracting the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and the risk of coital injury¬¬—without reducing pleasure or causing sexual dysfunction.

The first study, by researchers in Australia, shows that the inner foreskin has the largest concentration of Langerhans' cells, which are the initial cellular targets in the sexual transmission of HIV. After analyzing biopsy samples from 10 uncircumcised and 10 circumcised men, researchers found that the inner foreskin has a significantly higher density of Langerhans' cells than other areas of the foreskin. By removing the inner foreskin, circumcision removes the skin surface which is most susceptible to HIV infection, reducing not eliminating the risk of contracting HIV. No differences were found in epithelial or keratin thickness between the remnant foreskin, inner foreskin or shaft skin.

The second study, by researchers in Seattle, WA; Chicago, IL; Winnepeg, Canada; Research Triangle, NC; and Kisumu, Kenya, shows that circumcised men had a significantly lower risk for coital injuries (bleeding, scratches, cuts, abrasions or "getting sore") compared to uncircumcised men and that there was no difference in sexual function between circumcised and uncircumcised men. Researchers divided 2,784 patients from Kisumu, Kenya into two groups: a control group and a group to be circumcised within 30 days of randomization. Detailed evaluations were done at one, three, six, 12, 18 and 24 months after circumcision. Results show that there was no difference in sexual function between the two groups and that the circumcised group reported fewer coital injuries.

"These are important reports which support the concepts that circumcision does not interfere with sexual function and that circumcision is an important element of HIV prevention in sub-Saharan Africa," said Ira D. Sharlip, MD, an AUA spokesman. "At the same time, it should be emphasized that circumcision must be combined with other techniques of HIV prevention, such as safe sex and voluntary testing. It is not sufficient to rely on circumcision alone to prevent HIV transmission."
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The LoLRus said:
Going by who's studies??? The ones you cherry-picked???

I'm too lazy to google but could probably find dozens of pro-circumcision studies that refute yours
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explain why Europe and Japan intact nations/regions have lower STD rates than circumcising U.S.A?
 
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/grulich1/

Circumcision and male-to-male sexual transmission of HIV

In recent years, evidence from observational studies in sub-Saharan Africa has shown that circumcised men have a lower risk of acquiring HIV infection than uncircumcised men. [1]. The proposed mechanism by which the circumcised state might protect against HIV infection is twofold. First, the inner surface of the foreskin contains Langerhans celles, which have HIV receptors, and is also vulnerable to traumatic epithelial disruptions during intercourse. Second, an intact foreskin exposes a man to a greater risk of ulcerative sexually transmitted infections, which in themselves are a risk factor for HIV acquisition. The evidence that circumcision may protect against HIV infection is now considered strong enough that trials evaluating the efficacy of transmission as part of an HIV prevention program have been advocated [2].

Almost all of the literature suggesting that circumcision protects against HIV infection in men has been conducted in heterosexual individuals, mostly in devloping countries [3]. We examined the relationship between circumcision and HIV transmission in homosexual men in Sydney, Australia.

Between 1993 and 1999, we interviewed 74 homosexual men shortly after their diagnosis with newly acquired HIV infection. Men were asked to nominate an event of unprotected anal intercourse (UAI) with a serodiscordant or HIV status-unknown partner at which they believe they became HIV infected. If there was more than one such high-risk event, the interviewer selected the highest risk event as the occasion on which HIV was likely to have been transmitted. Participants were also asked to report all instances of UAI in the 6 months before seroconversion. We hypothesized that if the presence of the foreskin was important in HIV transmission, then those men who were infected by insertive UAI would be more likely to be uncircumcised than those infected by receptive UAI.

Sixty-three men nominated an event of UAI as their highest risk activity. After clarification of the most likely high-risk event by the interviewer, the highest risk practice reported was insertive UAI in 11 men, and receptive UAI in 52. Of the 11 men in whom insertive UAI was deemed the most likely mode of HIV transmission, all but one reported no receptive UAI in the 6 months before seroconversion (one reported receptive UAI with a singular regular partner who was definitely HIV negative). Overall, 20 men were uncircumcised (27%) There was no association between circumcision and reporting insertive UAI as the highest risk practice (odds ratio 0.89, 95% confidence interval 0.18--5.98, see Table 1). Of the additional 11 men who denied UAI as the event that they believed led to their infection, eight also denied having had UAI in the previous 6 months. Of these eight, three were uncircumcised. (38%).
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BOGUS STUDY using 10 mutialted men and 10 intact men ignoring MILLIONS of men from Europe and Japan
 
canada-man said:
and that justifies the mutilation of unconsenting babyboys?
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Oh yeah, what a horrible event that was.
I was only 1 day old but I remember the agonizing pain I was in :rolleyes:
 
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