Peel pigs want their title back: Worst cops in Ontario
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Ummm. Yes. I've read the Sun article, the CBC article, and listened to multiple reports on the radio. What's your point? So with the street car shooting caught on 2 different videos, we need to wait for all the facts, in your opinion. But in this case, there are contradicting reports and no video, so the cops must have acted correctly in tasering an 80 y/o woman. You do have a warped idea of how things should work.
tasering an 80 year old woman. wandering down the road in early morning. I hope some video comes forth.
I found it quite telling when he was saying it's too soon to judge Constable Forcillo until all the facts come out, meanwhile he had no problems judging the 17 year old sister of the boy who was just murdered by the reckless cop.
Clearly we don't know all the facts but in the meantime, I'd like to know how the ones who've decided that this offer used excessive force would disarm an 80 year old woman, with mentally issues who had just threatened her husband with a meat cleaver and refused to put it down?
They should of offered her tea and biscuits and had a chat with her.
Even if they grabbed her with their hands, they'd probably harm her in some way since she's old and fragile. People would still scream excessive force.
At least they didn't shoot her. It's progress.
Yeah, I suspect anything the officer did to disarm the woman would have ended badly and drawn criticism from the general public, as I'm sure they would have handled the situation better.
Here is yet another article without mention of a cleaver or knife...
Tasering of 80-year-old woman does not instill confidence in Ontario’s new stun-gun policy
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By Matthew Coutts | Daily Brew – 4 hours ago
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Just one day after the Province of Ontario approved the use of Tasers for all front-line police officers, an 80-year-old woman was shot with a conducted energy device on the streets of Mississauga, falling to the ground and fracturing her hip.
Ontario's Special Investigations Unit (SIU) has confirmed they are investigating the Aug. 28 incident, in which the woman was walking in the Thomas Street and Erin Mills Parkway area at about 3:30 a.m. when she was approached by three Peel Regional Police officers.
There has been some question about the woman's mental state at the time of the incident, although the issue was not addressed in a statement from the SIU.
"Officers spoke with the 80-year-old woman. At some point, an officer deployed his conducted energy weapon," spokesperson Monica Hudon said in an email. "The woman fell to the ground and was taken to Credit Valley Hospital for treatment of injuries, including a fractured hip."
[ Related: Ontario woman, 80, suffers fractured hip after being Tasered ]
The result could have been worse, although it was pretty bad. No one was stabbed or shot, bless small miracles, and the SIU investigation will determine what led to the use of the controversial Taser.
The timing, however, is as bad as it gets.
The Aug. 28 incident came just one day after Community Safety and Correctional Services Minister Madeleine Meilleur announced that rules limiting Tasers to members of tactical units and hostage rescue teams would be relaxed, leaving it up to local agencies to decide for themselves how to deploy the devices.
It also comes just over a month after 18-year-old Sammy Yatim was killed by multiple gunshot wounds during a standoff with police while alone on a Toronto streetcar.
The case led to intense debate over how Ontario police handle situations involving citizens in weakened mental states. (The Ontario ombudsman is also probing de-escalation tactics used by provincial police.)
[ More Brew: Ontario’s front-line officers permitted to carry Tasers ]
The Canadian Medical Health Association and the Canadian Civil Liberties Association each have voiced concerns about how the Taser will be used once it becomes more prevalent among front-line officers.
The devices are said to be less lethal when used on healthy adults, but the CMHA says more testing must be done on vulnerable citizens, such as those suffering from mental illness and the elderly.
Tasers are intended to be a second-last resort, to be deployed rather than handguns when a situation calls for immediate intervention. We won’t know what prompted the use of a Taser until the end of the investigation.
Perhaps an officer was in immediate danger, perhaps all attempts to de-escalate the situation had fallen flat. But the idea of an 80-year-old woman Tasered amid a standoff with three officers, doesn’t instill a lot of confidence in the province’s new plan.
Tasering of 80-year-old woman does not instill confidence in Ontario’s new stun-gun policy
By Matthew Coutts
National Affairs Reporter
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By Matthew Coutts | Daily Brew – 4 hours ago
Just one day after the Province of Ontario approved the use of Tasers for all front-line police officers, an 80-year-old woman was shot with a conducted energy device on the streets of Mississauga, falling to the ground and fracturing her hip.
Ontario's Special Investigations Unit (SIU) has confirmed they are investigating the Aug. 28 incident, in which the woman was walking in the Thomas Street and Erin Mills Parkway area at about 3:30 a.m. when she was approached by three Peel Regional Police officers.
There has been some question about the woman's mental state at the time of the incident, although the issue was not addressed in a statement from the SIU.
"Officers spoke with the 80-year-old woman. At some point, an officer deployed his conducted energy weapon," spokesperson Monica Hudon said in an email. "The woman fell to the ground and was taken to Credit Valley Hospital for treatment of injuries, including a fractured hip."
[ Related: Ontario woman, 80, suffers fractured hip after being Tasered ]
The result could have been worse, although it was pretty bad. No one was stabbed or shot, bless small miracles, and the SIU investigation will determine what led to the use of the controversial Taser.
The timing, however, is as bad as it gets.
The Aug. 28 incident came just one day after Community Safety and Correctional Services Minister Madeleine Meilleur announced that rules limiting Tasers to members of tactical units and hostage rescue teams would be relaxed, leaving it up to local agencies to decide for themselves how to deploy the devices.
It also comes just over a month after 18-year-old Sammy Yatim was killed by multiple gunshot wounds during a standoff with police while alone on a Toronto streetcar.
The case led to intense debate over how Ontario police handle situations involving citizens in weakened mental states. (The Ontario ombudsman is also probing de-escalation tactics used by provincial police.)
[ More Brew: Ontario’s front-line officers permitted to carry Tasers ]
The Canadian Medical Health Association and the Canadian Civil Liberties Association each have voiced concerns about how the Taser will be used once it becomes more prevalent among front-line officers.
The devices are said to be less lethal when used on healthy adults, but the CMHA says more testing must be done on vulnerable citizens, such as those suffering from mental illness and the elderly.
Tasers are intended to be a second-last resort, to be deployed rather than handguns when a situation calls for immediate intervention. We won’t know what prompted the use of a Taser until the end of the investigation.
Perhaps an officer was in immediate danger, perhaps all attempts to de-escalate the situation had fallen flat. But the idea of an 80-year-old woman Tasered amid a standoff with three officers, doesn’t instill a lot of confidence in the province’s new plan.
Surprise surprise, the victim's daughter is refuting the police account of the story, the elderly woman's husband has been dead for 12 years and the "meat cleaver" was a bread knife she says...
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/04/tasered-seniors-daughter-refutes-police-account
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/04/tasered-seniors-daughter-refutes-police-account
No kidding. She was chasing her "dead husband" down the street. Looks like the cops didn't check their facts before giving their "factual" statement to the SIU. Oppppssss....no problem. The sheep of Toronto will forgive a little lying as long as hat dangerous 80 year old is off the streets. They should have taken her to Cherry Beach to teach her a real lesson.
Thanks for posting the article.
But Blackrock says she had a meat cleaver and was chasing her husband. The only logical explanation here is that the National Post must have a vendetta against the Toronto police.
Or could it be that Blackrock is suffering from a case of premature extrapolation. i.e. Police use taser to bring down 80 y/o woman. Therefore woman must have been an armed killing machine as police never over react to a situation with people suffering from mental illness.
Oh cool! Another cop story where people can jump to conclusions without knowing the full story
You're right, the more truth that comes out the worse it looks for the police.
Curiouser and curiouser, so who was she chasing? Make one wonder about the reportimg accuracy of our 5th estate. In other words, wait for the facts.
I didn't say that, i was just repeating what was reported by the news since that all we have to go by at this point. Feel free to check your Magic 8 Ball for future news reports.Thanks for posting the article.
But Blackrock says she had a meat cleaver and was chasing her husband. The only logical explanation here is that the National Post must have a vendetta against the Toronto police.
Or could it be that Blackrock is suffering from a case of premature extrapolation. i.e. Police use taser to bring down 80 y/o woman. Therefore woman must have been an armed killing machine as police never over react to a situation with people suffering from mental illness.
Still, I feel I owe Iole and Angela an apology for Wednesday's column, in which I quoted police sources saying a woman was seen chasing "her husband down the street with a meat cleaver."
This is not possible.
"The problem is my father has been deceased for 12 years," Angela said. "And my mother lives alone."
I had it from several sources and did not go with it cavalierly.
I felt it provided some balance in trying to explain what police may have been dealing with.
But I feel I blew it there.
The same sources still insist a woman was talking about her husband and there was an appearance of someone being in danger from a woman with a knife.
Angela doesn't buy it.
"They are just covering their asses," Angela said of the police. "It's just misleading."
As I pointed out Wednesday, it is curious why the woman was not charged criminally if any of the sourced information is true.
From todays Sun, the only article that had her chasing her husband with a meat cleaver yesterday....guess this reporter will think twice next time about taking a cop's version of events at face value.
This is not possible.
"The problem is my father has been deceased for 12 years," Angela said. "And my mother lives alone."
I had it from several sources and did not go with it cavalierly.
I felt it provided some balance in trying to explain what police may have been dealing with.
But I feel I blew it there.
The same sources still insist a woman was talking about her husband and there was an appearance of someone being in danger from a woman with a knife.
Angela doesn't buy it.
"They are just covering their asses," Angela said of the police. "It's just misleading."
As I pointed out Wednesday, it is curious why the woman was not charged criminally if any of the sourced information is true.
From todays Sun, the only article that had her chasing her husband with a meat cleaver yesterday....guess this reporter will think twice next time about taking a cop's version of events at face value.
Lets remember..if the police come upon this violent, knife wielding lady...who is out wandering about saying she is going to kill her husband....it would be reasonable to assume the husband..perhaps scared..was out and about hiding.
Or should they assume that there is automatically no husband and let her work her way around the Area and in a different outcome, finds and stabs him.
its a no win for the Police...and certainly a NO WIN once the Monday morning quarterbacks come out.
But like Forcillo.... I will wait for the facts.
Or should they assume that there is automatically no husband and let her work her way around the Area and in a different outcome, finds and stabs him.
its a no win for the Police...and certainly a NO WIN once the Monday morning quarterbacks come out.
But like Forcillo.... I will wait for the facts.
Unfortunately this case has had it's day in the news and will fade away with the rest of the one day wonders. BH should stay on top of it though and get back to us with the updates.
As for charging her, the lawyers on TERB, not FUJI, can fill you in on the details, but it is very rare, if ever, that anyone with dementia would be criminally charged.
