Peasant Revolt in China

[ice_dog]

I have said many times before that the rural peasant of Chinas has been getting a raw deal and this is bound to cause social unrest. Each time I said that, the diehard commie on this board would jump all over me. Well, here is what happened, and I am sure there will be more to come:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/20050613/ts_washpost/for_chinese__peasant_revolt_is_rare_victory

 

[WoodPeckr]

Many people in China are getting a raw deal.
Many of those who went to the cities seeking 'high paying' factory jobs have quit in disgust at the working conditions and ended up going back to rural areas.

Who knows what may happen over there as China transforms.

 

[Truncador]

I hope this isn't the tip of an iceberg. An irrational mass movement in China, were it to seize power, could do more damage to world security than a thousand Al-Qaidas.

 

[red]

yes- it would be better for all of us if they remained slaves of the communist regime

 

[Truncador]

The present government of China, while more authoritarian than we around here might like, is responsible, and is making reforms. Experience has shown that peasant rebellions and populist mass movements in places like China get real ugly real fast when they succeed. In fact, that's how Communism got started there to begin with.

 

[red]

The present government of China, while more authoritarian than we around here might like, is responsible, and is making reforms. Experience has shown that peasant rebellions and populist mass movements in places like China get real ugly real fast when they succeed. In fact, that's how Communism got started there to begin with.

the present government of china is responsible? responsible for slave laboour camps, depriving citizens of freedom, responsible for invading tibet, threatening the freedom of taiwan, murder, mayhem, etc.

 

[WoodPeckr]

the present government of china is responsible? responsible for slave laboour camps, depriving citizens of freedom, responsible for invading tibet, threatening the freedom of taiwan, murder, mayhem, etc.

Guess it depends on how you define 'responsible'.

Red China is very 'responsible' to the needs of multinational corporations....all that other stuff you note above is secondary.......

 

[Truncador]

It does take a fairly responsible government to accomodate the needs of trade and business. In fact, that is a core element of the very concept of responsible government.

There's no way that China is just going to turn into America or Canada Junior overnight, at least not without an intervention that would make the Iraq affair look like building a municipal swimming-pool by comparison. Until that time, about the best we can hope for is that it will evolve into a moderate, benevolent police-State of the sort that used to exist in Germany a hundred years ago or more. This process of evolution is clearly underway right now.

 

[TOVisitor]

the present government of china is responsible? responsible for slave laboour camps, depriving citizens of freedom, responsible for invading tibet, threatening the freedom of taiwan, murder, mayhem, etc.

These facts are oh SO inconvenient for the truncadors of this world.

 

[Peeping Tom]

It is much better in comparison to becoming slaves of fascism, which is where a populist brainfart revolt would get them if successful. As slaves of fascism they would become the cannon fodder of the nuclear age.

yes- it would be better for all of us if they remained slaves of the communist regime

 

[red]

It is much better in comparison to becoming slaves of fascism, which is where a populist brainfart revolt would get them if successful. As slaves of fascism they would become the cannon fodder of the nuclear age.

I guess you think they are incapable of creating their own democratic state. their choices are slaves to facism or slaves to communism? thats very enlightened.

 

[TOVisitor]

I guess you think they are incapable of creating their own democratic state. their choices are slaves to facism or slaves to communism? thats very enlightened.

red:

I'm convinced that Peeping Tom usually spends his time at www.stormfront.org and just comes over here every once in a while to spread some of his racist blather. Ignore him.

TOV

 

[langeweile]

red:

I'm convinced that TOVisitor usually spends his time at http://www.liberaloasis.com/ and just comes over here every once in a while to spread some of his racist blather. Ignore him.

TOV

What goes around comes around or if you sit in a glass house..don't throw rocks...

 

[TOVisitor]

Two can play your little game ...

red:

I'm convinced that Langeweile usually spends his time at http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/ and just comes over here every once in a while to sing. Ignore him.

Schiklgruber

 

[langeweile]

Two can play your little game ...

You do have a sense of humor...this is very funny...

 

[TOVisitor]

You do have a sense of humor...this is very funny...

They used to say that staring at the moon made you crazy (i.e. lunacy). If the shoe fits ...

 

[ice_dog]

To criticize the Chinese government is one thing. To use such insulting vocabruary to describe the Chinese people is another.

Oh those poor unwashed yellow people ... they need an enlightened leader of YOUR choosing, trunc, to keep things under control.

 

[Peeping Tom]

But that is exactly the stance of the left: The dirty, yellow people require Democrats to speak for them. That summarizes well the inherent racism of the left - as it always has been and always will.

To criticize the Chinese government is one thing. To use such insulting vocabruary to describe the Chinese people is another.

 

[langeweile]

But that is exactly the stance of the left: The dirty, yellow people require Democrats to speak for them. That summarizes well the inherent racism of the left - as it always has been and always will.

No Tom they are not racist, they are so much more sophisticated than you are, you beer guzzling, wife beating, Nascar watching right wing nut......

 

[Brookstone]

The present government of China, while more authoritarian than we around here might like, is responsible, and is making reforms.

I dont know about making reforms. First step in change is admitting what they have done in the past. Threats to Taiwan. The invasion and human rights violations of Tibet and Ughurs?(spelling sorry). Release and come clean about the Kidnapping 6yo boy and holding him and his family hostage all his life.
They might make it seem like things are changing for the better, maybe some, but thats more of trying to change their image, because they have the '08 Olympics and have to convince people of that and make it seem like everything is good, but its still all the same, you still hear about the same kind stories.
I find it funny how a while ago, China wanted so badly for Japan to appoligize for the war that happened years ago. But has China ever apoligized for the brutal things they have done to others? I dont think anyone even brought it up.
Anyone see this article about Microsoft compromising to Chinas demands http://abcnews.go.com/Business/SiliconInsider/story?id=750595&page=1

A good line, last sentence of article:
"Apparently, Bill Gates, with his laudable AIDS-in-Africa campaign, is willing to spend billions to save peoples' lives — but won't lift a finger to liberate them.'