Paul Martin Fires Carolyn Parrish!

[langeweile]

Boy! you really don't understand Canadian politics. If I where you I would spend a little time on the subject before you shoot arrows at Martin and say he has infringed free speech. Canadian and US politics are not even remotely close to one another.

Once again Lange you shoot off your big mouth about something you know nothing about and expect Canadians to tow the American line. NOTE: not all democracies have evolved around the American model so until you understand the Canadian model, I fail to see how any critic by yourself would be relevant.


bbk

While you are absolutely correct that I don't have nearly the knowledge on canadian politics than you might have. I am not sure how my lack of knowledge disqualifies me from having an opinion.
Free speech is not unique to the USA. Free speech is as the word says FREE. How one elected leader can override the will of the people just makes me shiver. This is an opinion and not a factual statement.
I am not here to make relevant statements to anybody. i am here to express my opinion. You can chose to listen and react or ignore it. Makes absolutely no difference to me.

BBK if there is one constant on this board it is your intolerance and your elitism towards people that don't share your views.
In any case , it makes for good entertainment.

 

[langeweile]

Her riding is in support of the Liberal Party and that is why she was elected. The fact is that people in ridings are usually voting for the leader of the party and not the candidate. I'm sure some people will disagree with that, but I believe it to be true most of the time.

In my opinion Carolyn Parrish is an insignificant member of parliment who is trying to make a name for her self by being controversial rather than making an intelligent contribution. I believe in free speech, of course, but childish comments are not what we expect from elected officials. We should expect constructive remarks and ideas. My guess is she has none. If she expressed her opinions in a positive way, most people would respect them.

It will never happen, because the media loves this stuff, but the best thing to happen would be that no one shows up for her press conference this afternoon. Why feed her hunger for attention?

i am not saying what she said is not childish or stupid. What rubs me the wrong way is, that Martin can just decide to kick her out. This should be left to the voters.

 

[Roma]

i am not saying what she said is not childish or stupid. What rubs me the wrong way is, that Martin can just decide to kick her out. This should be left to the voters.

He didn't kick her out of the commons. Only the party. He has that right.

 

[onthebottom]

Lang,

I think you may be a bit confused. The aforementioned b*tch is still an MP representing her constituents but no longer part of the thieving Liberal political party.

Roma's point (and a real weakness of the Canadian political system) is that her constituents were likely not voting FOR her but FOR her party (Liberals) too keep the thieves in power over the meany Conservatives. Much like John Kerry was just the ham sandwich that the ABB folks were not voting FOR but were voting AGAINST Bush. The comments you've read about her potentially losing her seat mean that if she is no longer a Liberal member she may not get many votes as she will no longer be a vehicle to keep the thieving Liberals in power.

bbking, you may want to try and educate / lead instead of just berate. I have this problem myself so it's just a friendly suggestion, not an attack on your character.

OTB

 

[danmand]

i am not saying what she said is not childish or stupid. What rubs me the wrong way is, that Martin can just decide to kick her out. This should be left to the voters.

(PM)**2 can't kick her out of parliment, she was voted in by her riding, and sits there untill the next election. It is not even easy for him to kick her out of the liberal party.
What he can do, and did, is to kick her out of the liberal caucus in parliment, but that is a faily empty gesture for a minority government.

It all comes down to the voters in her riding, as it would in the US.

 

[langeweile]

He didn't kick her out of the commons. Only the party. He has that right.

I understand she will be an independent. If Martin has the right to do what he did, that's ok too. I guess i am the only one her that finds that a bit of too much power in one persons hand.
What if the issue would be a serious one? Wouldn't that be a convinient way for a leader to squash his opposition?

 

[Roma]

No. He actually weakens his govorment by kicking her out

 

[langeweile]

No. He actually weakens his govorment by kicking her out

yeah to a degree.
He goes from a minority to a smaller minority? Not sure it has a real impact.

 

[langeweile]

(PM)**2 can't kick her out of parliment, she was voted in by her riding, and sits there untill the next election. It is not even easy for him to kick her out of the liberal party.
What he can do, and did, is to kick her out of the liberal caucus in parliment, but that is a faily empty gesture for a minority government.

It all comes down to the voters in her riding, as it would in the US.

What exactly is the liberal caucus?

 

[onthebottom]

bbking,

I had a hard time reading "at least ours is honest and in the open" with a straight face when we are talking about your thieving Liberals. That was a bit rich.

All political parties try and enforce discipline, some do a better job of it than others. You’ll notice the love that Zell Miller received from his part at the end of his term ;-)

I don't understand the caucus thing either - can you (or anyone) explain it to a simple Yank - remember, use small words.

OTB

 

[langeweile]

I would exactly say that - I do have a low tolerance for people who don't even bother to understand the issue before shooting off their mouth.

And what especially annoys me are people who think they can equate the US system to Canada. You can't and this wasn't about free speech, you took a major leap to imply that our politians are not afforded the same rights as yours. BTW what happens to a Republican Congressman who is critical of the Speaker or Tom Delay - you really think they get the good committe assignments, do they get the funds they need in the next election - if you think nothing happens Lange then you need to give your head a shake.
I wonder what Govern't respects free speech more, the one that boots their ass out of the party or the one that silences them out of fear and keeps them in the party. At least ours is honest and in the open.


bbk

If you would take the time to read and understand what I wrote, you would notice that i have never implied a different standard. As a matter of fact i have posted the question of standard in the USA to the board.
Funds for elections are raised by the individual running for office. You are right, probably if you piss off the wrong guy you might not get the good assignments.
I still don't make the connection to my original post. Stop being so paranoid and defensive all the time.

 

[antaeus]

There is more to this story than presented in the media. Any person who can achieve what CP has doesn't do what she did without some as yet unknown inputs. Still, pretty moronic, but there's more to this and it may take years but some of it will come out.

 

[danmand]

The liberal caucus is the collection of liberal party members of parliment and the senate.

 

[langeweile]

There is more to this story than presented in the media. Any person who can achieve what CP has doesn't do what she did without some as yet unknown inputs. Still, pretty moronic, but there's more to this and it may take years but some of it will come out.

Interesting thought.
I was listening to the CBC last night, they had some interview (sorry but I forgot the name) with some MP, that was good friends with her. He seemed perplex as to her reactions over the past two month and was refering to some issues around a "tough nomination battle". It got my attention because i remember there was some issues around Sheila Cobb as well.
Unfrotunately I haven't been in Canada long enough to understand some of the history and background. Maybe those two aren't connected at all.

 

[langeweile]

The liberal caucus is the collection of liberal party members of parliment and the senate.

Are those the members that are sitting either inparliament and senate? Apart from the party as a whole?

 

[danmand]

affirmative

 

[langeweile]

Merci Beaucop

 

[superquad1968]

Beaucoup! Get it right!

In all seriousness the minority is slimer now that a Liberal-NDP alliance is one shorter than the rest of the house.

Will she come back and bite the Liberal party in the a#@?

 

[langeweile]

Beaucoup! Get it right!

In all seriousness the minority is slimer now that a Liberal-NDP alliance is one shorter than the rest of the house.

Will she come back and bite the Liberal party in the a#@?

Sorry Dude..non parlais francaise..Ich spreche kein franzoesisch

 

[Peeping Tom]

I'm guessing that she will sit as an indie and lean left of the NDP. She will still vote left regardless. So, no net effect unless she wants to destroy the government. Which is quite likely - she will think she's going down in blazes, despite the public's perception of her going out in a straightjacket.

In all seriousness the minority is slimer now that a Liberal-NDP alliance is one shorter than the rest of the house.

Will she come back and bite the Liberal party in the a#@?