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July 15, 2005
Karl Rove's America
By PAUL KRUGMAN


John Gibson of Fox News says that Karl Rove should be given a medal. I agree: Mr. Rove should receive a medal from the American Political Science Association for his pioneering discoveries about modern American politics. The medal can, if necessary, be delivered to his prison cell.

What Mr. Rove understood, long before the rest of us, is that we're not living in the America of the past, where even partisans sometimes changed their views when faced with the facts. Instead, we're living in a country in which there is no longer such a thing as nonpolitical truth. In particular, there are now few, if any, limits to what conservative politicians can get away with: the faithful will follow the twists and turns of the party line with a loyalty that would have pleased the Comintern.

I first realized that we were living in Karl Rove's America during the 2000 presidential campaign, when George W. Bush began saying things about Social Security privatization and tax cuts that were simply false. At first, I thought the Bush campaign was making a big mistake - that these blatant falsehoods would be condemned by prominent Republican politicians and Republican economists, especially those who had spent years building reputations as advocates of fiscal responsibility. In fact, with hardly any exceptions they lined up to praise Mr. Bush's proposals.

But the real demonstration that Mr. Rove understands American politics better than any pundit came after 9/11.

Every time I read a lament for the post-9/11 era of national unity, I wonder what people are talking about. On the issues I was watching, the Republicans' exploitation of the atrocity began while ground zero was still smoldering.

Mr. Rove has been much criticized for saying that liberals responded to the attack by wanting to offer the terrorists therapy - but what he said about conservatives, that they "saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war," is equally false. What many of them actually saw was a domestic political opportunity - and none more so than Mr. Rove.

A less insightful political strategist might have hesitated right after 9/11 before using it to cast the Democrats as weak on national security. After all, there were no facts to support that accusation.

But Mr. Rove understood that the facts were irrelevant. For one thing, he knew he could count on the administration's supporters to obediently accept a changing story line. Read the before-and-after columns by pro-administration pundits about Iraq: before the war they castigated the C.I.A. for understating the threat posed by Saddam's W.M.D.; after the war they castigated the C.I.A. for exaggerating the very same threat.

Mr. Rove also understands, better than anyone else in American politics, the power of smear tactics. Attacks on someone who contradicts the official line don't have to be true, or even plausible, to undermine that person's effectiveness. All they have to do is get a lot of media play, and they'll create the sense that there must be something wrong with the guy.

And now we know just how far he was willing to go with these smear tactics: as part of the effort to discredit Joseph Wilson IV, Mr. Rove leaked the fact that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the C.I.A. I don't know whether Mr. Rove can be convicted of a crime, but there's no question that he damaged national security for partisan advantage. If a Democrat had done that, Republicans would call it treason.

But what we're getting, instead, is yet another impressive demonstration that these days, truth is political. One after another, prominent Republicans and conservative pundits have declared their allegiance to the party line. They haven't just gone along with the diversionary tactics, like the irrelevant questions about whether Mr. Rove used Valerie Wilson's name in identifying her (Robert Novak later identified her by her maiden name, Valerie Plame), or the false, easily refuted claim that Mr. Wilson lied about who sent him to Niger. They're now a chorus, praising Mr. Rove as a patriotic whistle-blower.

Ultimately, this isn't just about Mr. Rove. It's also about Mr. Bush, who has always known that his trusted political adviser - a disciple of the late Lee Atwater, whose smear tactics helped President Bush's father win the 1988 election - is a thug, and obviously made no attempt to find out if he was the leaker.

Most of all, it's about what has happened to America. How did our political system get to this point?
 

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***we're not living in the America of the past, where even partisans sometimes changed their views when faced with the facts***

This is the only point he nailed, and it applies equally to both sides, and to you.
 

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Governments relationship with the people is similar to any interpersonal relationship. You tell one lie and you have to cover it up with another and another and another. Until the lie comes out in the open and vicitm of these lies ends up never trusting that person again. The damage the Republiccans have done to Democracy in the US will be felt for generations. Historians will look back and sift thru all this and point to it as the period in US History, where Democracy failed, faultered, and died. Is it any wonder that the youth of today, and many of our generation, have no trust in our Government anymore ?

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TOVisitor said:
July 15, 2005
Karl Rove's America
By PAUL KRUGMAN


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It says in the Bible that you shouldn't point out the speck of dust in your fellow man's eyes when you've got a board sticking out of your own...
 

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It says in the Bible that you shouldn't point out the speck of dust in your fellow man's eyes when you've got a board sticking out of your own...
Poor truncy ... Krugman only has a PhD in econ, has taught at MIT and Stanford, and now teaches at Princeton.

He has written or co-authored 20 books and has a regular column in the NY Times.

Perhaps there's more than a little envy from truncy for someone who actually knows what he is talking about and can explain it in plain English -- contrary to truncy's posting history.

Oh BTW, many folks think he will get a Nobel Prize in Economics.
 
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TOVisitor said:
Poor truncy ... Krugman only has a PhD in econ, has taught at MIT and Stanford, and now teaches at Princeton.

TOVisitor said:
He has written or co-authored 20 books and has a regular column in the NY Times.
Actually in his profession journal articles are far more important than books or a NY column but yes, he does have a good publication record.
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Oh BTW, many folks think he will get a Nobel Prize in Economics.
That's possible but I'm not so sure. The one area that he has truly been a pioneer in is the effects of geography on trade. It is an important contribution. However, it is usually neglected in trade theory. As it really has not changed the way most trade theorists do their research, I’m not sure the impact is great enough to for a Nobel prize. Still, it is definitely good enough to be in the running so who knows. He might get a Nobel someday. Anyway, his chances are definitely better than my chances :D .
 

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His record at being debunked is very impressive. It is quite a feat when a rival publication features a regular column exposing the typical Krugman lies.

someone said:
Actually in his profession journal articles are far more important than books or a NY column but yes, he does have a good publication record.
 

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Peeping Tom said:
His record at being debunked is very impressive. It is quite a feat when a rival publication features a regular column exposing the typical Krugman lies.
Given that I very much doubt that you would understand his work, I will weigh your opinion in this matter accordingly.
Edit: Since you indicated before that you are a bit sensitive, I'll qualify what I said by admitting that 95% of the population does not have the math background to read economic articles and most of the reminder don't have the background in rational choice theory. Thus, you don't need to respond with another offended post. I will just say that although I don't follow his column on a regular basis but his real work is very good (and the column in question was dead on).
 
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The damage the Republiccans have done to Democracy in the US will be felt for generations. Historians will look back and sift thru all this and point to it as the period in US History, where Democracy failed, faultered, and died.
not to mention the irreparable damage done to the image of the US abroad.
 

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Peeping Tom said:
His record at being debunked is very impressive. It is quite a feat when a rival publication features a regular column exposing the typical Krugman lies.
One would think that if his detractors were so successful, he would lose his academic and journalistic positions and be throw upon the dustheap of history.

In fact, the opposite is true. Ideologues on the right consistently try, as they may, to debunk Krugman but find, quite maddeningly, that the man is brilliant and is correct many, many more times than incorrect -- which statement cannot be made about their views.
 

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Peeping Tom said:
His record at being debunked is very impressive. It is quite a feat when a rival publication features a regular column exposing the typical Krugman lies.
Perhaps for the edicification of our readers, you care to "debunk" the column that I posted?

Let's see exactly which "typical Krugman lies" you find in this article.
 

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Ideologues on the right consistently try, as they may, to debunk Krugman but find, quite maddeningly, that the man is brilliant and is correct many, many more times than incorrect -- which statement cannot be made about their views.
Actually it used to be the anti-free trade ideologues of the left that tried to "debunk" Krugman. Given the protectionist statements of many Democrates in Congress, I suspect that if they were in power, they would be attacking Krugman just as hard.
 
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