Pat Robertson calls for Chavez's Assassination.

[tompeepin]

The religious right showing their true colors.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/23/national/a083355D22.DTL

Also ...

"Self-described “CIA Hero” Felix Rodriguez, who led the execution of Che Guevara and has had a hand in some of the worst US covert dealings over the past half century – including the Bay of Pigs fiasco, the Iran-Contra scandal and El Salvador death squads – recently showed up on one of the most popular spanish-language TV shows in southern Florida to deliver a not-so-subtle message from the Bush Administration."

"In an interview on Miami’s Spanish-language channel 22, the former CIA agent Felix Rodriguez said that the U.S. government has plans to “bring about a change in Venezuela.” When pressed as to what type of plans these might be, Rodriguez responded that the Bush administration “could do it with a military strike, with a plane.”"

There needs to be a regime change in another Oil producing country. We really need US friendly regimes. Venezuela was behind 9/11. No? Venezuela is trying to buy yellow cake Uranium. No? Venezuela is supporting Muslim terrorists. Yeah that is the ticket. Let's go Contras on their ass!

 

[Goober Mcfly]

Pat Robertson is to Christianity what Osama Bin Laden is to Islam.

 

[ottawasub]

We really need US friendly regimes. Venezuela was behind 9/11. No? Venezuela is trying to buy yellow cake Uranium. No? Venezuela is supporting Muslim terrorists. Yeah that is the ticket. Let's go Contras on their ass!

Well, there`s about as much proof that Venezuela was behind 9/11 as there was that Iraq was behind it, so since the Bush-lovers ate that up there`s no reason to believe they wouldn`t be gullible enough to fall for that spin again.

 

[TOVisitor]

Pat Robertson is to Christianity what Osama Bin Laden is to Islam.

Absolutely.

Unfortunately, Robertson has a daily TV show in the US, reaching millions.

Just more ourageious behavior from the Christofascists.

Please chime in, trunc, as tell us how much you agree with Reverend Pat. You have already espoused getting rid of Chavez.

 

[Truncador]

Hear, hear

From the linked article:

We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

Damn straight. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Let them get rid of this Mussolini wannabe before he can do any serious damage. Ordinarily, I'd object that assassination is beneath the dignity of the State, but nobody today really cares about that sort of thing anyhow.

 

[TOVisitor]

Hmmm ... man of the cloth espousing murder? Seems so ... un-biblical.

And for what does he espouse this murder? Well, it's right there in the last line:

"I don't think any oil shipments will stop"

So when people on the left say the right wingers are all about protecting big oil, please, trunc, don't disparage them. Pat has made the motive quite clear.

... but nobody today really cares about that sort of thing anyhow.

Another true statement, as long as you qualify your "nobody" as all the right wingers that you can think of.

 

[langeweile]

Pat Robertson is a wannabe showman, who is looking for his own revival..

 

[Truncador]

Gimme that ole time religion...

Hmmm ... man of the cloth espousing murder? Seems so ... un-biblical.

"Thus saith the Lord, Execute ye judgement and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor" (Jer. 22: 3.)

"Deliver the poor and needy; rid them out of the hand of the wicked" (Psalm 82: 4)

"As it is sometimes necessary for kings and states to take up arms in order to execute public vengeance, the reason assigned furnishes us with the means of estimating how far the wars which are thus undertaken are lawful. For if power has been given them to maintain the tranquillity of their subjects, repress the seditious movements of the turbulent, assist those who are violently oppressed, and animadvert on crimes, can they rise it more opportunely than in repressing the fury of him who disturbs both the ease of individuals and the common tranquillity of all; who excites seditious tumult, and perpetrates acts of violent oppression and gross wrongs? If it becomes them to be the guardians and maintainers of the laws, they must repress the attempts of all alike by whose criminal conduct the discipline of the laws is impaired. Nay, if they justly punish those robbers whose injuries have been inflicted only on a few, will they allow the whole country to be robbed and devastated with impunity? Since it makes no difference whether it is by a king or by the lowest of the people that a hostile and devastating inroad is made into a district over which they have no authority, all alike are to be regarded and punished as robbers. Natural equity and duty, therefore, demand that princes be armed not only to repress private crimes by judicial inflictions, but to defend the subjects committed to their guardianship whenever they are hostilely assailed. Such even the Holy Spirit, in many passages of Scripture, declares to be lawful."

-Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion

 

[solitaria]

"Thus saith the Lord, Execute ye judgement and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor" (Jer. 22: 3.)

"Deliver the poor and needy; rid them out of the hand of the wicked" (Psalm 82: 4)

Your position is so annoyingly stupid, hypocritical and flawed. You don't even understand who your argument has the strongest application against.

What do you think Che Guevara was trying to do if not "deliver the poor and needy; rid them out of the hand of the wicked"? Do you seriously not realize that our decadent lifestyle comes only at the oppression of Latin American and other oil-rich countries?

 

[Blackheart]

"Thus saith the Lord, Execute ye judgement and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor" (Jer. 22: 3.)

"Deliver the poor and needy; rid them out of the hand of the wicked" (Psalm 82: 4)

Commandment No 6 (of 10) ....Thou shalt not kill

 

[Big Sleazy]

Your position is so annoyingly stupid, hypocritical and flawed. You don't even understand who your argument has the strongest application against.

What do you think Che Guevara was trying to do if not "deliver the poor and needy; rid them out of the hand of the wicked"? Do you seriously not realize that our decadent lifestyle comes only at the oppression of Latin American and other oil-rich countries?

That's Riiiiiight ! Guy's like Robertson don't have and never will have a moral bone in there body.

BS

 

[Asterix]

Pat should never have taken on a daily show, he's clearly running out of material. I also like his comments in the last paragraph, that feminism teaches women to kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. My god, it's a wonder we survived at all with them around. And about his comment to nuke the State Department; how can we permit such scandalously, anti-democratic insolence. Someone needs to Title 18 that man's ass.

 

[langeweile]

Do you seriously not realize that our decadent lifestyle comes only at the oppression of Latin American and other oil-rich countries?

I guess you expect me to apologize for having a good life?Or what else is your point.
Obviously you have no idea what is going on in latin America...

 

[papasmerf]

Right or wrong

Pat is entitled to his right to free speach.

 

[solitaria]

I guess you expect me to apologize for having a good life?Or what else is your point.
Obviously you have no idea what is going on in latin America...

I lived there for six months recently and you? What is your knowledge of Latin America?

My point is that morality doesn't have double standards.

 

[danmand]

Is Pat Robertson not the one who also prayed for another opening on the supreme court, i.e. the death of a judge?

 

[langeweile]

I lived there for six months recently and you? What is your knowledge of Latin America?

My point is that morality doesn't have double standards.

My best friend for the past 15 years happens to be Peruvian. i have not spend 6 month like you did over there, but I believe I have learned enough first hand from him, and some of my visits.
He comes from a wealthy family and is the first to tell you, that there is no established middle class in peru. You are either very rich or you are very poor.

If you poor you are screwed. if you rich it's like living in paradies. Most of the "have's" are living in fenced in ghettos's. mainly designed to shield themselves from the poor, which are so desperate, that many times they see crime as to only way to survive.
The rich take advantage of them, by hiring them for pennies, to do all the housework, including raising their kids.
if you are not born in to money, you will never have the chance to make something of yourself.
To top things of the "Indians" or indigenous people are second class citizen and have no rights at all.
The vast majority of land is owned by a very few. So even on the agricultural level, the people have no chance to feed themselves.
You add to this corruption, you have a recipe for disaster.

In a way i can understand why Chavez is going to such extreme meassures. How else can he build a middle class?If all the resources are held by a few.

Point is, that the current situation is hardly the fault of us, it is more a result of internal issues.Thoses problems are hardly confined to Venezuela.

 

[papasmerf]

Is Pat Robertson not the one who also prayed for another opening on the supreme court, i.e. the death of a judge?

Idunno is he?

 

[onthebottom]

My best friend for the past 15 years happens to be Peruvian. i have not spend 6 month like you did over there, but I believe I have learned enough first hand from him, and some of my visits.
He comes from a wealthy family and is the first to tell you, that there is no established middle class in peru. You are either very rich or you are very poor.

If you poor you are screwed. if you rich it's like living in paradies. Most of the "have's" are living in fenced in ghettos's. mainly designed to shield themselves from the poor, which are so desperate, that many times they see crime as to only way to survive.
The rich take advantage of them, by hiring them for pennies, to do all the housework, including raising their kids.
if you are not born in to money, you will never have the chance to make something of yourself.
To top things of the "Indians" or indigenous people are second class citizen and have no rights at all.
The vast majority of land is owned by a very few. So even on the agricultural level, the people have no chance to feed themselves.
You add to this corruption, you have a recipe for disaster.

In a way i can understand why Chavez is going to such extreme meassures. How else can he build a middle class?If all the resources are held by a few.

Point is, that the current situation is hardly the fault of us, it is more a result of internal issues.Thoses problems are hardly confined to Venezuela.

Every problem has to be someone's fault, the US makes a convenient target. A communist with oil money, this should be an interesting decade; I guess we've found Castro's successor.

OTB

 

[ottawasub]

Pat is entitled to his right to free speach.

If an American called on George Bush to be assassinated on his show, would you approve of his right to free speech as well.