Parking Ticket Woe

[oldjones]

Sorry OJ, you're automatically charged with the offence and if you don't admit your guilt within a week, the charge/fine increases. Even if you decide to fight it, the fine increases and as stated in this thread, you end up paying court costs in order to exercise your right to a trial. In fact, there is no trial without you asking for one. The ticket automatically goes on your record and if you don't admit your guilt within a certain period of time. It is well documented in the media about how draconian the parking enforcement situation is. The sun has done countless stories on it and how it goes against our charter of rights and freedoms.

This is no different than someone robbing a grocery store and someone getting arrested for the crime. If he confesses? he gets 3 yrs...if he wants to go to trial? He gets 6 yrs.....automatically The difference here is that he MIGHT face a longer sentence IF he is found guilty.

Loki: have you proved your manhood yet by turning yourself in to face the consequences of you breaking the law?

Of course you're charged. Without a charge, no offence or question of guilt. It used to be the case that an early payment of a "voluntary amount" got you a break on the "set fine" amount. No more. In fact if you wait about a month for the follow-up letter, the fine still is the same as the summons/ticket. No extra charge

The fact that an undisputed ticket results in a guilty finding, a conviction and a collectible fine in a kind of assembly-line process does'n't mean that's not a trial. Only one side presented evidence—in the summons—and the other side didn't show. I'm sure all us overtaxed citizens appreciate the civil servants being efficient for once, and that's why we appreciate the convicted also paying some of the costs instead of all us virtuous paragons.

If you ask for a trial you get your chance to make your case then, and if the case against you doesn't hold up, your innocence prevails. That too is a pretty industrialized trial, but again, it saves us all in taxes.

I can't find anywhere on my tickets, or where you say earlier in the thread that you are ever "…paying court costs in order to exercise your right to a trial".

Your shoplifting example is the classic plea-bargain, and perhaps that's the best way to look at the ParkinTags Payment Options. Think Law and Order: PKE "Take the offer, or you're goin' down". We can argue plea-bargain pros and cons till Bossy's back in the barn, but in the end everyone generally agrees it's sausages from the same factory, and it depends how much we taxpayers wanna pay for premium grade how often.

Whether the laws are appropriate, or the levels of enforcement draconian are matters on which opinions differ. When I'm stuck behind some bozo in a rush-hour No Parking lane my opinion's different from coming out of the restaurant to find my car decorated. But in general, until we manage to do w/o cars, let's keep the ones we need moving efficiently by discouraging inappropriate parking. But more tow trucks in rush-hour for sure.

As for the Sun as an arbiter of our Charter rights, say no more.

 

[oldjones]

Let's say that you do go to court and that you do eventulaly appear in front of a judge ....... WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU SAY??? WHAT'S YOUR ARGUMENT???? You really have no case at all, do you?

Don't be silly. There's whole books about what you might say in defence. What you will say will depend on what you believe is wrong w/ the ticket.

 

[LordLoki]

Very amusing Trrickkster.

But because I have no sense of humour, I'll attempt a ABC explanation: Special formats like , bold, italics, URLs are done the same. At the start of the format you put a square-brackets tag signalling the format: (quote) and where you want the formatting to stop you put the corresponding square-brackets and slash tag: (/quote). Likewise: (b)(/b), (url)(/url) etc.

The software will re-format everything between the start and stop tags and make them invisible—which is why I used round instead of square brackets to illustrate.

But you knew that, didn't you.

Actually I did not. But Thank you for your explanation. Learning is what separates us from the dead. Oh it also separates us from the stupid.

Sorry about your lack of humour. Have you considered a transplant? I understand that you can get one from some one in the third world at a reasonable price.

 

[LordLoki]

Sorry OJ, you're automatically charged with the offence and if you don't admit your guilt within a week, the charge/fine increases. Even if you decide to fight it, the fine increases and as stated in this thread, you end up paying court costs in order to exercise your right to a trial. In fact, there is no trial without you asking for one. The ticket automatically goes on your record and if you don't admit your guilt within a certain period of time. It is well documented in the media about how draconian the parking enforcement situation is. The sun has done countless stories on it and how it goes against our charter of rights and freedoms.

This is no different than someone robbing a grocery store and someone getting arrested for the crime. If he confesses? he gets 3 yrs...if he wants to go to trial? He gets 6 yrs.....automatically The difference here is that he MIGHT face a longer sentence IF he is found guilty.

Loki: have you proved your manhood yet by turning yourself in to face the consequences of you breaking the law?

I am sorry tboy. I have been scolded by a lovely lady for using the phrase “like a man”. She found it offensive because she felt it should be “like an adult” to include her in the discussion. She also pointed out to me that based on your nick one must assume you are either advertising you are a child, are as immature or a child, or have specific sexual tastes. Any one of which could make the term “act like a man” offensive to you.

So for any who have been offended by my use of the term “act like I a man” to define assuming responsibilities for actions I with draw it and use instead the more generic “act like an adult”.

I am still not certain if you fabricate nonsensical statements and beliefs because you simply want to be a “smartass” to get attention at any cost, or if you are incapable of knowing any better.

You think that's bad? In one week I rec'd $170.00 in tickets because the site I'm working at now, doesn't allow parking ANYWHERE before 10 am.

Gee someone who does it over and over in the same place and never learns as the pain grows and grows might indicate your comments are not really your fault.

Either way I am just not sure how to have a conversation with you. How can I answer your questions when you live in a world that is at odds with reality?

 

[syn]

just as an aside - i hear putting on your flashers is like a beacon for the meter maids. better to blend in without the flashers.

syn

 

[hungry]

just as an aside - i hear putting on your flashers is like a beacon for the meter maids. better to blend in without the flashers.

syn

And, I thought there were like the Shields in Star Trek! Anyway, after reading teday's paper and the recent rash of tickets, I now feel like a victim of a desparate City Hall. I have only lived in TO for about 3 months, and I am sorry, I did not cause their problems. I am going to the center tomorrow morning and will decide if I want to get a court date.

 

[taggerbob1959]

Toronto is BROKE - They want you to pay till you CHOKE. Hey Miller shove your new taxes, the people WILL rise and revolt. ROME did burn you know.