Pardons and Waivers....

rgkv

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Got a pop-up from ipardons of canada, " Do I need a pardon or waiver? get it now before time runs out"
I didn't know time was running out for one, and I had been thinking about {need} both. Never been stopped going on a trip to South America, the Caribean etc. but I guess as I age some trips to the States would be easier
Anyone got either the pardon or waiver? the costs? does it work?.........any info appreciated..
 

DanJ

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I think the waiver is more important for US travel, as they don't recognize pardons. Info is hard to confirm, but the family member I have who has a conviction and a pardon was told by whatever governmental department here that odds are that if the US doesn't know about your conviction before the pardon, they probably won't get the info after the pardon is granted. But you never know. And it's not like you want to ask the border guard if anything shows up when they scan the passport LOL. This person has crossed at least 20 times in the 20 or so years since conviction (pardon was over 10 years after the conviction), and hasn't had anything said, so it's hard to say that it's just a US agent being nice at this point.

The pardon took about 8 months to get taken care of and cost a couple hundred dollars in fees. There are a multitude of companies who offer the service to help with the paperwork but they don't have any inside process that speeds it up. All they really do is make sure the paperwork is more acceptable so it doesn't get rejected as easily as the average person might be susceptible to do. The waiver apparently takes as long as the pardon and the paperwork is similar.

So, really, if you haven't travelled to the US, getting pardon might lock away your record from them accessing it and save you needing the waiver (which I think needs to be renewed every so often). Worst case of course, is getting the pardon, and finding out they already have the record in their files and you ending up needing to go through the process for the waiver as well.
 

Rockslinger

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There was a recent thread about crossing the U.S. border when you don't have a perfectly clean legal record. Might be worthwhile for you to look it up.
 

mandrill

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Got a pop-up from ipardons of canada, " Do I need a pardon or waiver? get it now before time runs out"
I didn't know time was running out for one, and I had been thinking about {need} both. Never been stopped going on a trip to South America, the Caribean etc. but I guess as I age some trips to the States would be easier
Anyone got either the pardon or waiver? the costs? does it work?.........any info appreciated..
Off the top of my head, I think the ad is probably a scam. I have a vague recollection that pardons are going to be re-named something else or else the procedure to get one is going to be varied. So the company cashes in on the confusion.

Anyone know what is really happening?
 

wigglee

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Harper thinks that marking a person for life is a good thing, rather than letting them try and re-integrate into society. So the Omnibus bill makes it harder to get a pardon. This keeps them on the outside and forces them to return to crime as a means of survival. Welcome to conservative ideology.
 

HEYHEY

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Harper thinks that marking a person for life is a good thing, rather than letting them try and re-integrate into society. So the Omnibus bill makes it harder to get a pardon. This keeps them on the outside and forces them to return to crime as a means of survival. Welcome to conservative ideology.
really?

perhaps they should have considered the consequences before committing a criminal offense in the first place
 

afterhours

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really?

perhaps they should have considered the consequences before committing a criminal offense in the first place
Sounds pathetic on a board where majority of participatants either frequent bawdy houses or work in them or live off the avails.
 

Eddie401

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Harper thinks that marking a person for life is a good thing, rather than letting them try and re-integrate into society. So the Omnibus bill makes it harder to get a pardon. This keeps them on the outside and forces them to return to crime as a means of survival. Welcome to conservative ideology.
Waaahhh, waahhh, waahhh.

You going to back this up with something specific or just squawk "Harper Sucks"? I mean you've actually said nothing here other than start campaigning early. Get over it your candidate lost. It's not like you invented the concept. I didn't vote for the guy either but guys like you are SOOOOOO whiny and boring it makes me want to take my vote back. You get another chance every 4 years or less. Until then can you hold a meaningful conversation that isn't about Harper or did he take away your personality too?

Anyway, I worked with a guy who got his 12 year old sister drunk and then had sex with her. Coincidentally he was laid off right after he was charged but I hear he was sentenced to 2 years for it and then I heard he wrangled a pardon about 10 years later. I don't know if he was full of it but he did go to the US afterward....if that's true, a little tightening up on the process wouldn't hurt.
 

sakurame

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Think the pop up came because of the change in laws for a pardon?
Probably not but,

It is now 5 years for a summary and 10 years for indictable. Also they changed the name from pardons to record suspensions.
 

homerjsimpson

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You can do the legwork to get the pardon yourself, it's a bit of a hassle but not a big deal. You will save money over using one of those services. Well worth doing imo.
 

oldjones

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The old pardon, that one used to get, and whatever the new version is called that Our Harper Government has made harder to get and of less benefit when and if one does, are Canadian government documents, and of no official interest or effect in the US of A. But it might still be worthwhile to get it use here when you apply to drive a school bus, or to be a judge.

If you have a criminal record—anyone's criminal law anywhere—you are supposed to know that American law requires that you tell the border personnel. Not to do so is cause for the agent to refuse entry, or if you have landed by plane, to order you to leave the country immediately. If you do volunteer the information, the agent has discretion to consider the offence/conviction in relation to American law and allow you in, if they think it's OK. An example is a Canadian DUI which is a criminal conviction here, but in many parts of the US is only a traffic offence. However they are not required to even think about such things; it's the agent's discretion. The only official way to escape this Catch-22 is to get the US document before hand, that tells the agent to waive that process because folks in Washington already decided you were no issue. That's the waiver.

As in all things government, in theory you can accomplish both documents all by yourself, by using web sites and the same processes the experts do but it will be tedious, and you'll have to go through stuff you likely have no experience in like getting proper fingerprints taken and submitted. Outfits like the OP's e-mailer are hoping you will find all that too intimidating.

I testify the above is the truth, and some of the correct truth, and pretty much whole, as known to someone with family on the other side, who still drives up to the booth in fear, trembling and withholding information.

But I did look it up.

My friend with the decades old drug record got stopped in US pre-clearance at Pearson, on his way for a week in Florida with his sweetie, because the jail-time came up when they ran his passport. He was told the only way he could continue was to pay a fee and fill out a bunch of paperwork then and there, to acquire a special waiver just for the holiday, andif the waiver was granted (it was) he could pick it up at Pearson the next day and continue on his way (he did).

Sorry but in the grousing about re-booked hotels, pissed-off girl friends and last minute airfares, the processing fee didn't register.
 

yung_dood

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DO NOT get a pardon and waiver from Dominion Pardons and Waivers or Pardons and Waivers of Canada. Its operated by Mr. Richard Breslin whose a convicted felon, the business is under his son's name though.
 

msog87

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DO NOT get a pardon and waiver from Dominion Pardons and Waivers or Pardons and Waivers of Canada. Its operated by Mr. Richard Breslin whose a convicted felon, the business is under his son's name though.
you don't need these companies, its like paying someone to pump your gas. you can do it all for free. to answer the OP's question, to be safe get a file destruction before you cross into u.s. and theyll never know you ever had a criminal record or were even arrested unless youve already been flagged by u.s. customs. its a long process takes a whole year to get it removed. go to your local police station and fill out the form, they have to rubber stamp it then send a request to the RCMP
 

wigglee

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really?

perhaps they should have considered the consequences before committing a criminal offense in the first place
yea, bring on that faulty conservative ideology.........young criminals aren't thinking about getting caught and carefully calculating consequences, but dream on, dude. The logic is wrong if the deterrent is non-existent in the mind of the intended target. Maybe they need some jail time to feel consequences, but then they will be branded for longer due to the new pardon rules and unable to act on their desire to get a straight job.
 

wigglee

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Waaahhh, waahhh, waahhh.

You going to back this up with something specific or just squawk "Harper Sucks"? I mean you've actually said nothing here other than start campaigning early. Get over it your candidate lost. It's not like you invented the concept. I didn't vote for the guy either but guys like you are SOOOOOO whiny and boring it makes me want to take my vote back. You get another chance every 4 years or less. Until then can you hold a meaningful conversation that isn't about Harper or did he take away your personality too?

Anyway, I worked with a guy who got his 12 year old sister drunk and then had sex with her. Coincidentally he was laid off right after he was charged but I hear he was sentenced to 2 years for it and then I heard he wrangled a pardon about 10 years later. I don't know if he was full of it but he did go to the US afterward....if that's true, a little tightening up on the process wouldn't hurt.
Thanks for the tirade of personal insults...it helps to know I'm dealing with an asshole who can't just deal with the issues, but has to fabricate a fantasy image of me. You are truly "special".

You make it seem like democracy is alive and well with Harper , but I say the mammoth Omnibus bills which he rams through without debate are examples of fascism by stealth. Important issues need to be discussed and debated in the House and in society in general. Then they should be voted on one by one or at least in small groups.
I said Harper is wrong because he prefers to cling to the failed theory that young criminals will obey the law if you threaten them with long sentences and make it hard to get a pardon. This just ensures that they will be hardened criminals and can never go legit even if they want to.....is this what we want?
 

oldjones

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Whatever else we think we know about crime and punishment, after thousands of years it should be obvious to all that severe punishment—short of instant death—does little or nothing to reduce crime. Specific mechanisms and how-to's aside—to be argued about until we all go deaf—the only way to have fewer criminals is to make more f them them into non-criminal members of society.

The persons least qualified to mandate the how-to's of that would be MP's Senators, Councillors, Mayors, Premiers and Prime Ministers. More examples of 'do as I say, not as I do' than example of upstanding morality among the current crop.

And then there are business leaders, who we are so often told, do everything better than government. Proving that with the right lawyers and moves, no one goes to jail.

Anyone who imagines even the gangbangers didn't figure all that out in childhood, probably still believes all it takes is stiffer penalties on the street, more guns in their closet and lower taxes to make everything perfect.

Lotta heads in the sand marking ballots these days.
 

rgkv

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go to your local police station and fill out the form, they have to rubber stamp it then send a request to the RCMP
This works ??? I just go the the police station, ask for, fill out the form and the process starts ??
 

Tao

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This works ??? I just go the the police station, ask for, fill out the form and the process starts ??
No there is more to it than that, I got it done myself rather than use one of those companys for an ancient old minor weed charge that showed up when I had to get checked.

I had to get a recent police check from Police station(area) that I had been residing in for the last 5 years.
Then had to get finger printed and those were sent to RCMP, took ages to get back to say that nothing has happened since.
Then I had to go to the courts where the offence took place for them to sign off that the charge was delt with.
Then all forms were packaged and sent off to Ottawa where it took almost a year to get this pardon.

I do remember that I got it all sent off before last Feb when the price for a pardon skyrocketed from 100 something to well over 300 dollars
 

rgkv

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Tao...I take it this was for the pardon, do you know if the waiver is the same process??
Gonna be hard for me, I think a total of 6 charges on my record, half for impaired, some charges are 40 years old, when I was a kid I got caught with about $5 worth of pot, on my record it shows "possesion of narcotics", I'll never remember which courts dealt with them.....
 
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