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Palestinians Teach Their Children to Hate and Kill

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basketcase said:
Teaching their children about peaceful coexistence would have been a better way (and aren't you a teacher?). If children on both sides were taught about the importance of getting along, we wouldn't have had much violence for Gaza's children to see. Mainstream Israeli society has embraced this idea and it is included in their approved curriculum. You will not find Israeli children shows glorifying death and murder.



I would also like to see the Palestinian study that measures the effects of intra-Palestinian battles such as Hamas' violent takeover of Gaza. When will you be posting the study on the mental health of the children of Southern Israel who have been subjected to years of daily rocket attacks. I'm sure the numbers of Israeli children affected by explosions, psychological shock, or PTSD would be pretty similar.
yes yes we get it, Jews good, Palestinians bad :rolleyes:

on a side note continuing the discussion of what a wonderful democracy Eretz Israel is, apparently the children of Israel who are of different religions are being taught different versions of history, boy I cant wait for the rah rah Israel crowd to justify this one hehehehe

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123152
 
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And now your complaining that Israel teaches children about the Nakba? I can see how this is another example of providing Arabs more than they get elsewhere.

The new directive approves a Grade 3 textbook "Living Together in Israel," which was written by Arabs who left their homes during the 1948 War of Independence and claim that Israel took their land. The textbook evenhandedly points out that the Arab nations refused to accept the United Nations partition plan creating the Jewish State and a new Trans-Jordan country.

"The Arab narrative deserves to be told in Israel," Tamir explained. Arab MKs congratulated her for her decision, though immediately raised new demands.
I am sure that the book "Living Together in Israel" is just full of hatred.

Israel should be ashamed of itself for allowing differing opinions to be taught in schools. The simple fact that an Arab parliamentarian was able to suggest changes and he was listened to by the Israeli authorities must really show how bad a place Israel is. Get real scouser.


Summarizing this thread, the Palestinians leaders are bad for promoting violence and hatred to children and Israel is bad because it tries to teach it's students to live together.
 

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Chew on this:

"According to a study conducted by the Gaza Community Mental Health Program, every Palestinian child has been exposed to over nine shocking events. The study added that 95.6% of children have seen images of the wounded and dead, and 95% have been affected by the sounds of explosions. The study further indicated that all children have been exposed to some kind of psychological shock whereby 60% of children have experienced moderate psychological shock, 6.7% have experienced minor psychological shock, while 33.3% have experienced major psychological shock. The study indicated that 15.6% suffer from minor post-traumatic disorder, 62.2% suffer moderately, while 20% suffer severely."

How many suffer from retardation?

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And now your complaining that Israel teaches children about the Nakba? I can see how this is another example of providing Arabs more than they get elsewhere.


I am sure that the book "Living Together in Israel" is just full of hatred.

Israel should be ashamed of itself for allowing differing opinions to be taught in schools. The simple fact that an Arab parliamentarian was able to suggest changes and he was listened to by the Israeli authorities must really show how bad a place Israel is. Get real scouser.


Summarizing this thread, the Palestinians leaders are bad for promoting violence and hatred to children and Israel is bad because it tries to teach it's students to live together.
It's amazing that you blithely gloss over the fact that this book that speaks about equality was written by Israeli Arabs, not Israeli Jews.

What's profoundly saddening is the racist resistance to the book and concept of equality by Jewish Israeli's in the Knesset. The views of these people (who have been elected, thereby represent the views of Israeli citizens) are what have to be changed.

Where do you think they learned them? At home? In school? At synagogue?

Where do you start to teach Israeli jews that a country can't be for just one group. Where do you teach them that Palestinian rights are equal to theirs and that Palestinian property rights have to be restored?
 

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gryfin said:
"Dr. Eyad Al Sarraj, director of the Gaza Community Mental Health Program, stated that Palestinian children have lost the sense of security and the sense of happiness. According to a study conducted by the Gaza Community Mental Health Program, 45% of children said that they had watched Israeli soldiers beat and insult their fathers in front of them. “The fact that Palestinian children take refuge in Palestinian organizations reflects their desire to gain a new strong identity that can protect them,” Al Sarraj added."

This is an explanation grounded in reality.
Excellent point Gryfin... it goes to show you the insanity of whats happening over there, and whose fault it really is!!!! Palestinians have been leading a 60+ year campaign to destroy Israel and Jews. They refuse to realize that they do not have the manpower or resources to win that war. They cannot see that martyrdom is not the answer (might it have to do with a religion/culture that idolizes matyrs?), and they sacrifice themselves and their children to a useless war. They use their money to buy weapons and plan destruction instead of development. They teach their children hate.

Even when they have had the opportunity to move to Canada, they continue to preach hate and intolerance.

Yes Gryfin, your people have come a long way in 60+ years!!!!
 

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gryfin said:
It's amazing that you blithely gloss over the fact that this book that speaks about equality was written by Israeli Arabs, not Israeli Jews.

What's profoundly saddening is the racist resistance to the book and concept of equality by Jewish Israeli's in the Knesset. The views of these people (who have been elected, thereby represent the views of Israeli citizens) are what have to be changed.

Where do you think they learned them? At home? In school? At synagogue?

Where do you start to teach Israeli jews that a country can't be for just one group. Where do you teach them that Palestinian rights are equal to theirs and that Palestinian property rights have to be restored?
Gryfin, how about if the Palestinians start doing something to show the world that they can achieve peace within their own people before they try to help the Israelis fix the problem in their country. Let's see if the Palestinians can come together and create a country to rival Israel in production, finance, science, and technology!!!! To make it easy, how about if we start with one simple thing: elect one govenment and abide by the decisions and rules of that government!!!

If your people can accomplish that for a one year period, then you might actually see progress.
 

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here you go gryf.



You'll notice I also include sources. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/945489.html



Now, what does that say about violence being taught to children? How many children of Sderot are sitting at home, watching cartoons that tell them to kill Palestinians? I guess that sort of defeats the premis that you and scouser are putting forth.
You should do your research first:

“Unfortunately Israeli children’s books are not an option for promoting equality in this society,” said Atamneh, citing a book written by Israeli writer/researcher Adir Cohen called An Ugly Face in the Mirror.

Cohen’s book is a study of the nature of children’s upbringing in Israel, concentrating on how the historical establishment sees and portrays Arab Palestinians as well as how Jewish Israeli children perceive Palestinians. One section of the book was based on the results of a survey taken of a group of 4th to 6th grade Jewish students at a school in Haifa. The pupils were asked five questions about their attitude toward Arabs, how they recognize them and how they relate to them. The results were as shocking as they were disturbing:

Seventy five percent of the children described the “Arab” as a murderer, one who kidnaps children, a criminal and a terrorist. Eighty percent said they saw the Arab as someone dirty with a terrifying face. Ninety percent of the students stated they believe that Palestinians have no rights whatsoever to the land in Israel or Palestine

Cohen also researched 1,700 Israeli children’s books published after 1967. He found that 520 of the books contained humiliating, negative descriptions of Palestinians. He also took pains to break down the descriptions:

Sixty six percent of the 520 books refer to Arabs as violent; 52 percent as evil; 37 percent as liars; 31 percent as greedy; 28 percent as two-faced; 27 percent as traitors, etc.

Cohen points out that the authors of these children’s books effectively instill hatred toward Arabs by means of stripping them of their human nature and classifying them in another category. In a sampling of 86 books, Cohen counted the following descriptions used to dehumanize Arabs: Murderer was used 21 times; snake, 6 times; dirty, 9 times; vicious animal, 17 times; bloodthirsty, 21 times; warmonger, 17 times; killer, 13 times; believer in myths, 9 times; and a camel’s hump, 2 times. "

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0999/9909019.html

How do you explain this?
 

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basketcase said:
And now your complaining that Israel teaches children about the Nakba? I can see how this is another example of providing Arabs more than they get elsewhere.


I am sure that the book "Living Together in Israel" is just full of hatred.

Israel should be ashamed of itself for allowing differing opinions to be taught in schools. The simple fact that an Arab parliamentarian was able to suggest changes and he was listened to by the Israeli authorities must really show how bad a place Israel is. Get real scouser.


Summarizing this thread, the Palestinians leaders are bad for promoting violence and hatred to children and Israel is bad because it tries to teach it's students to live together.
Maybe this is not taught in jewish schools in Israel is because they don't want to expose this version and the powerful narrative that accompanies it. This version undermines everything they've been taught.

For Arab children, well, they've lived the Israeli version. It's the jewish kids that are still being kept in the dark.
 

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gryfin said:
Chew on this:

"According to a study conducted by the Gaza Community Mental Health Program, every Palestinian child has been exposed to over nine shocking events. The study added that 95.6% of children have seen images of the wounded and dead, and 95% have been affected by the sounds of explosions. The study further indicated that all children have been exposed to some kind of psychological shock whereby 60% of children have experienced moderate psychological shock, 6.7% have experienced minor psychological shock, while 33.3% have experienced major psychological shock. The study indicated that 15.6% suffer from minor post-traumatic disorder, 62.2% suffer moderately, while 20% suffer severely."
By those same statistics any north american child who watches the evening news qualifies.
 

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Gryf, I am sure you would be amazed at the education Israelis recieve in terms of Arab/Jewish relations. Examples:

- There are mixed Jewish/Arab Elementary schools where a common curriculum is presented and all students are taught both Arabic and Hebrew.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4121695.stm

- Their education ministry has a Department for Education for Democracy and Coexistence that funds and supports ...
Areas of focus include: education for life in a democratic society, education for tolerance and accepting differences, education for life in a multicultural society (with an emphasis on promoting the relationship between Israel's Arab and Jewish citizens), and education towards peace
http://www.teachkidspeace.org/doc212.php

- A major study of Israei textbooks found
1. The legitimacy of the State of Israel as independent Jewish state on the territory of the Land of Israel and the immigration of Jews to the country are never questioned.
2. There is no indoctrination against the Arabs as a nation, nor a negative presentation of Islam. Rather, Islam, the Arab culture and the Arabs' contribution to human civilization are presented in a positive light.
3. No book calls for violence or war. Many books express the yearning for peace between Israel and the Arab countries.
http://www.teachkidspeace.org/doc210.php


How many times will you try and twist things then change the topic when shown to be wrong.


More importantly, if you think the Israeli educational system is bad, how can you stand quietly and say nothing about the hate taught to many Palestinian kids?
 

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Here's a new one (May 9) where Hamas TV's Jew hating bunny tells Palestinian children that Tel Aviv was really an Arab town. (Despite having been built by Jews on land bought by Jews 40+ years before the UN Partition plan)

I don't seem to see any encouragement to get along here; just a creation of a new 'history'.

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1766.htm
 

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basketcase said:
Gryf, I am sure you would be amazed at the education Israelis recieve in terms of Arab/Jewish relations. Examples:

- There are mixed Jewish/Arab Elementary schools where a common curriculum is presented and all students are taught both Arabic and Hebrew.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4121695.stm

- Their education ministry has a Department for Education for Democracy and Coexistence that funds and supports ...

http://www.teachkidspeace.org/doc212.php

- A major study of Israei textbooks found

http://www.teachkidspeace.org/doc210.php


How many times will you try and twist things then change the topic when shown to be wrong.


More importantly, if you think the Israeli educational system is bad, how can you stand quietly and say nothing about the hate taught to many Palestinian kids?
You must be growing new feet to shoot yourself in. That teachkidspeace.org site simply reprints more garbage from a group associated with that nut Itamar Marcus. It's also a project of Honest Reporting, which is nothing more than a zionist propaganda project operating on behalf of the Israeli government.

Get some legitimate sources.
 

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basketcase said:
Here's a new one (May 9) where Hamas TV's Jew hating bunny tells Palestinian children that Tel Aviv was really an Arab town. (Despite having been built by Jews on land bought by Jews 40+ years before the UN Partition plan)

I don't seem to see any encouragement to get along here; just a creation of a new 'history'.

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1766.htm

If it's from MEMRI it's not worth viewing. They've been caught fabricating.
Get some legitimate sources.
 

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You are so boring gryf. The arabic is clear in the clip. Why don't you get a translation yourself? That's right, you think that because you claim that they once cut out part of a sentence, they are full of lies. Really, get your own translation. It will just show you how full of shit you are.

One of these days you might even realize that your arguments have no moral impetus.
 

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You are so boring gryf. The arabic is clear in the clip. Why don't you get a translation yourself? That's right, you think that because you claim that they once cut out part of a sentence, they are full of lies. Really, get your own translation. It will just show you how full of shit you are.

You can cry a river. If it was legitimate, other sources than MEMRI (or that don't source from MEMRI) would suffice for fresh look.

But MEMRI is a dead horse.
 

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... but electronicintifada is the reincarnation of Walter Cronkite?
 

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gryfin said:
Watch Israeli soldiers shoot a Palestinian man point blank.

These are the real reasons that the entire Palestinian society is mobilized to achieve freedom.

Reality trumps TV shows in the Occupied Territories.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AM1BYMkgzpI&feature=related
Number one, can't understand what's being said in that video.
Number two, I didn't see any blood. For all I know they shot him with a rubber bullet...
Number three, who knows if thats even real...
 

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both sides are equally fucked up. Just fucking grow up already.

"We're going to take this land because some dude in the sky told us we could have it"

"No, you can't take this land so we're gonna kill your children"

Seriously? You're going to displace that many people because of something some mythical fantastical creator thing said?

Seriously? you're going to strap a bomb on yourself and blow up innocent children on a bus because some mythical fantastical creator thing said you'd get to heaven and earn 72 virgins?

unfuckingbelievable.
 
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