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[Jasmina]

And some greasy spoons are the best places in the world

Fast food and greasy spoon restaurants ask you to pay up-front. The better restaurants bring you a bill at the end. Analogies only go so far.

 

[Jasmina]

Alright, now I know you are purposely being obstinate. A few bad experiences? Darling, there are entire websites dedicated to bad client lists because ladies in this line of work get robbed and mistreated on a daily basis. It is not a flaw of character to be smart in how you handle yourself in this line of work.
If you have a problem with me, fine, if you chose not to book with me, fine again, but you are promoting bad etiquette on a board where people come to share and learn how to handle transactions and I just can not in good faith sit here and agree with your idea of paying after on a trust system.

Oh your point is made loud and clear. it's evident in how you debate that your opinions are fixed in spite of the fallacious logic. Even when it's pointed out how your analogies are simply wrong you persist in your view point.

Blue spheroid's point and mine is lost on you completely. It is bad etiquette to prejudge people based on a few bad experiences and it is frankly sad you see every potential customer as someone who is going to rip you off.

 

[Jasmina]

And your use of personal attack when I have not once attacked you is a clear reflection of your character. Good night.

How you post and how you disagree online is a direct reflection and window into your mind.

I don't know what it's like in your world but I think how you process information and disagree is self evident in this thread.

The fact that you keep thinking there is nothing wrong with how you think says it all.

 

[bazokajoe]

I have done 2 overnighters with 2 differant ladies.I will not mention their names out of respect for them.

Only thing I can add is you both need to be comfortable with each other.I have been seeing both ladies for sometime.Would never do it with someone I have never met.

 

[Titalian]

Don't take this personally but... do you go to the movies and then pay after? How about a concert? Or when you jump on the bus, do you expect the driver to trust that you'll pay when you get to your destination? I hate to say but this job is FILLED with people who will take advantage, both sides, so I think it is just a great sign of character for the gentleman to pay up front, without her having to ask. It will just ease her comfort and make her all the better a host/guest for it. I am absolutely shocked you have only ever had one girl ask... in all honesty if you told me you'd pay after, I'd walk.

Well I would personally take offence if someone asked me to pay up front, the only reasons I didn't the one time it happened, the girl was just newly an Indy.

I think your judging every client as a potential asshole / fraud ahead of time and this is probably killing your chance to develop any real chemistry with any johns. But maybe your an escort who thinks this hobby is only about physical gratification. I wouldn't see someone who has deep seated prejudices. Who knows what other preconceived notions you may have. Escorts who can figure out who to trust and not to trust are much more likely to develop chemistry and get offered the niceties of this hobby.

Your comparing apples to oranges, but yes I routinely get into cabs and pay after. Modern commerce in fact draws on credit all the time. I honestly find it sad that you've had so many bad experiences that it's coloured your thinking into seeing every john as a potential asshole irrespective of your intuition or judgement.

I find the best escorts are the ones who know how to effectively evaluate every john to cater to what they are looking for as opposed to making it about some kind of routine one size fits all service. They accomplish this in numerous ways but above all I know they have the ability to assess every situation and john on a case by case basis.

OMG this is a futile subject, really, I personally go with the flow, the first time, If she asks for it up front, I give it to
her, but I do not let that, affect, how our session will progress. Especially if I like the way she looks

 

[Jasmina]

Thanks MJL, yes I do make it known ahead whenever possible that I expect pay upfront with new visitors. I am just starting out, one month now huzzah, so yes my screening still needs some work big time, lots to learn! And I am still building client base so perhaps for this moment I need to be a little more proactive in my safety measures than I will hopefully need to be later on once I am more established.

I agree in principle that it's best for a gent to offer payment in advance. It's best to make sure the gentleman is aware of this requirement before he arrives and it shouldn't be an issue. I can't even remember the last time I asked for an envelope up front. The other day I almost chased a regular down the hall who simply forgot to pay on his way out.

However, I have to remind you that for every single bad date there are literally hundreds if not thousands of successful ones. That equates statistically to a few bad experiences for most ladies in the biz.

If you're having more bad experiences than good ones, it's time to reassess your screening process. JMHO.

 

[Jasmina]

OMG this is a futile subject, really, I personally go with the flow, the first time, If she asks for it up front, I give it to
her, but I do not let that, affect, how our session will progress. Especially if I like the way she looks

Three and a half cheers to that!

 

[Titalian]

thank you always nice to have someone notice when I'm actually behavin' for a change

I like you better. when you misbehave!!!

 

[BlueLaser]

Just to get back on topic, if someone didn't trust me, for example by insisting I pay first, why on earth would I trust them? All the sps I spent amazing time with on special things like travelling, even sometimes a week long fully trusted me from day one and I fully reciprocated this.

Trust has to start somewhere. An SP puts themselves out there, ready for all the reviews and bad press that come from screwing over a client... A client doesn't. An SP also sees a lot more clients than you see SPs, meaning she's a lot more vulnerable to being taken advantage of and therefore being defensive. Seems to me if you're a gentleman you recognize that she has more risk in all areas than you and be prepared to make the first move towards trust.

Of course, I also assume you aren't doing overnights with strangers, and if they already trust you from previous visits, it's probably fine to pay after. I once forgot my envelope in the car, literally forget, legitimately. But because I was seeing someone I had seen several times before, the trust had been established and given that she practically jumped me when I walked in, when I mentioned it and volunteered to go grab it quick, she said I could get it after we were done. I really wouldn't expect that if it was my first time with her. In fact, if it was my first time I'd expect to be looked at with apprehension and suspicion right up until I returned with the envelop to start the fun over again.

 

[Titalian]

Just to get back on topic, if someone didn't trust me, for example by insisting I pay first, why on earth would I trust them? All the sps I spent amazing time with on special things like travelling, even sometimes a week long fully trusted me from day one and I fully reciprocated this. And no they weren't all regulars, about half it was after meeting only once who agreed to over night the next time.

Come to think of it, all of these ladies had crazy and even violent clients in the past but they were smart enough to know and figure out that I wasn't one of them. I am also sure given their consistently positive reviews they must also be able to establish a comfortable working relationship with the majority of other johns too. I interpret positive behaviour like this as a sign of intelligence and having a positive outlook on life and in this hobby.

You hit on a good point here WELL REVIEWED for me that says it all. And that is 95% of the ladies I see. I guess that's why I have no issues, conserning the donation.

 

[Blue-Spheroid]

Just to get back on topic, if someone didn't trust me, for example by insisting I pay first, why on earth would I trust them?

Actually, the "topic" of this thread is overnight sessions.

You have every right to refuse to see an SP who demands payment up front. The SP has every right to decline clients who do not pay first. There is no right or wrong here. As I stated above, the analogy only goes so far.

Personally, I prefer to pay at the end of the session. For me it makes the experience more "natural". I know it's an artificial feeling but I like it and so that is my preference. I also like to put a little extra in the "envelope" but I don't want to make a big deal about it so I just leave it when i walk out. I imagine the SP has a happy moment a few minutes later when she counts the contents and realizes she has a tip. When I am asked to pay up-front, there's no tip because I have not yet had a tip-worthy experience.

 

[GGGDickson]

I am still wrapping my head around the 1k per night thing. I assume that must be a negotiated rate?

No do not assume. I have learned about this assumption.

 

[GGGDickson]

No do not assume. I have learned about this assumption.

Still not able to find someone for an all night affair. Rates range from 1200 to 3000. But most of the ladies are not available. I had a hot one for 1600 but she just said she could not do it she is booked.