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Mr.Know-It-All

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If you do find a room for $750 in North York do let me know. I know people looking for it.
A unit, no. But a room within a unit (i.e. shared with a roommate), yes, lots.

 
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Well these young people also want no teachers strikes( past Liberal governments gave them anything they want). Which leads to higher tuition.
They buy $700-$1000 cell phones with every package option. Most want to live right downtown which is the most expensive real estate in Ontario. Running up credit card debt and paying the minimum monthly payment.
Taking useless programs in University that lead to useless low paying jobs.
I have no sympathy for the younger generation and their financial problems. You dug the hole, dig yourself out. Stop loving beyond your means.
Hold on here Mr. the other half of the problem are the parents /society.
If there is an exam to become a parent world wide, 81% of the population would fail on both genders.

TV ruined a lot people by the choices they made what they watch:, Tabloid trash +. The quote below explains it nicely.
" Vicki Abt, Ph.D., professor of sociology and American studies, criticized tabloid TV shows, claiming that they have blurred the lines between normal and deviant behavior. "
Reference 1

Back in the 60's there were PSA - public service announcements - that disappeared and teens like you and I, we just did what we wanted. But most people lost their morals, I am gland I didn't that is why I am here, in an escort website.
 
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acctually the people leading our country are more like in their 40's and 50's ...what's scary when they were teenagers they were head bangers and stoners and are now leading our country thats whats scary
 

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All those students that complain about the cost of everything seem to have no problem with $13 beers and $200 tickets for entertainment...
 
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acctually the people leading our country are more like in their 40's and 50's ...what's scary when they were teenagers they were head bangers and stoners and are now leading our country thats whats scary
I agree. Like that guy that loved to wear blackface and grope women and is now the leader of our country. Yet he's considered woke because he's outspoken on gay rights.
 

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Hold on here Mr. the other half of the problem are the parents /society.
If there is an exam to become a parent world wide, 81% of the population would fail on both genders.

TV ruined a lot people by the choices they made what they watch:, Tabloid trash +. The quote below explains it nicely.
" Vicki Abt, Ph.D., professor of sociology and American studies, criticized tabloid TV shows, claiming that they have blurred the lines between normal and deviant behavior. "
Reference 1

Back in the 60's there were PSA - public service announcements - that disappeared and teens like you an I just did what we wanted. But most lost their morals, I am gland I didn't tha tis why I am here, in an escort website.
I certainly won't disagree about your comment on parents.
 

Mr.Know-It-All

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It's definitely harder to make it today than in the past. Boomers were able to get good paying jobs without finishing high school. Now you need a degree, a dozen certificates, endure a hiring process that includes multiple testing and interviews, all for a salary that requires dual income to buy a home. Within 200 years people in the first world will be living under a new feudal system.
 
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You touched on a huge thing here; the skyrocketing cost of living combined with stagnating salaries.

My dad, in 1985, was earning about $55,000 per year. Again, that's 35 years ago, and probably akin to about $70,000 in today's money.
~$137,000, according to a couple of sites where I did a quick Google search.
American sites, but would be similar in Canada, I'm sure.
 
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$25 is totally do about if you just need to call. No text no nothing. I pay about $45 for everything AFTER all the negotiations I have to go though.
$25 is a prepaid cell phone with 4 or 5 GB per month depending on carrier

I pay $40 per month under Koodo for 1000 mins international calls, unlimited CAN, 13GB LTE data and unlimited txt
I have $35 per month for Freedom for 8GB LTE per month and free North American roaming (plus North American calls and intl txt)

If you exclude the insane costs to finance hardware you drop prices of a phone plan by a landslide

Tuitions is based on the subject you think I believe. I could be complete wrong tho
No this is correct and it is why I quoted you a range

But many Canadian Uni are below 10K which was your target
And those paying the 11K+ I quoted are going for higher edu (eg medical, law, etc) and will quickly recoup costs

Check out the list I linked; you can attend Canadian Uni as low as 2K (and yes I am sure its a worthless Art course but it exists)


If you do find a room for $750 in North York do let me know. I know people looking for it.
A room? Easily
I see majority of those filipina nannies splitting rents and each paying for a room

I was under impression you wanted a condo or apt (which does require leaving core GTA and commuting for work / school)
 
Not all of us old geezers are out of touch! I stay up to date with real news, not the conspiracy networks, and active in many areas of life. Yes, I was amazed how high college costs were vs when I paid like $10k a year and thought that was expensive. But wages and all costs are much higher.

Everything is relative. I bought my first home - a 3 BR about 1600ft for $28k in a nice middle-class suburb of Minneapolis. First job paid about $2/hr and before started my own accounting firm thought doing good at a CPA firm making about $40k.

Toronto housing costs are very high compared to most of the US and other parts of Canada other than some BC cities. In the US about half those over 65 have no savings and overall average savings for retirement is about $50k. This makes the realization of the higher costs hard to comprehend for some old folks that are not well connected to today's world.

My 2300 foot Frank Lloyd Wright-like, 3BR at a high elevation with great views overlooking the North Valley to the Mountains (great for watching storms come in) would probably be worth $2m in much of Toronto. I bought it in a bidding war above list price in 2007 at the peak of the market for $410k It declined in value to about $200k as Phoenix was one of the hardest hit in the 2008-10 RE crash and is now up to about $550k with the surge recently in value as we are again one of the fastest-growing cities in the US. We have a huge housing crisis with not enough homes for sale or to rent to keep up with the increasing population. Much of the inflow is since our high-paying jobs are in demand especially in high-tech industry but also in other industries/services.

I have been amazed how people moving to or young folks that haven't made huge equity gains from real estate can afford housing in Toronto. You also have more complicated mortgages according to my Toronto friends. With the recent run-up in our RE prices was able to refinance at 2.5% for 30 years and my RE taxes last year were $1900 (I understand much higher for similar home in Toronto).

Even with our relatively lower costs, we have a huge homelessness problem and folks dying from the heat living on the streets when it's 115F as the shelters are all full and most new homes and rentals are not affordable for them. Most of our inflow is higher paying and average home prices jumped from about $250k to $350k recently. A study showed less than 40% can afford our average rent for 3BR of about $1600 but in the last year typically has jumped to over $2k making it worse. For the first time ever we have bidding wars on rentals. Lots of the lower-income folks are Catholic Hispanics that tend to have lots of kids- as it seems is common with lower-income families.

Toronto seems to have higher average wages - from some fast research ave seems about $100k vs ours about half that.

In the US we have some of the lowest Federal tax rates in the world for upper incomes and overall less than Canada. Our AZ legislators and just cut taxes about $1.9 billion almost all went to the highest income on the Republican theory of tricky down which has never worked since the Reagon era. So we have ever-growing richer getting richer.
 
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Toronto is an expensive city. When I lived in Montreal, the cost of living was (and maybe still is) much cheaper. I've also lived in London (Ontario) and Calgary for short periods.
 

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I was talking to a young woman (university educated) in her mid-20's. Her salary is almost $50,000 annually. How old were you before you made $50,000 annually? (Disclosure: I was definitely not making $50G in my mid-20's.)
Did your education cost as much as hers?
 

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This is depressing - when adjusted for inflation I suspect most people are worse off then 10, 20, or even 30 years ago.
I made zero gains in total wages since 2010, recent years the bonus has been larger.

Thankfully, like many in Toronto, made gains in property and investing, despite a very costly divorce.

Rent is easily tripled from when I started out, used cars at least doubled, home ownership is at least 6x more.

Just for giggles I did a search and found my starting salary in 2021 $ was $50,000, and within 12 months I recall I had a 25% raise
- tuition for the same professional degree today is at least 4x more. Rent would be 3-4x my first 2br apt in North York.

On the positive side, all those boomer kids will inherit a ton of wealth.
 
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With respect to the cost of a university education, a couple of thing come to mind.

1. If you live in Toronto and get along with your parents, plan to attend U of T or York or Ryerson. You can live at home and save the cost of living out of town which is more than tuition. I'm always slightly amused to hear young people who live in Toronto bitch about the cost of a university education but want to go to Western or even out of province in order "to have the university experience". That's great if you have the dough, but if you don't then I would strongly recommend you temper your expectations. There isn't a course in the world that isn't offered at the 3 Toronto schools.

If you combine that with a decent summer job as a student, you can also mitigate debt. In addition, take public transit as opposed to owning a car (aka a money pit.).

All of the above is exactly what I did, which combined with my mother having "banked the baby bonus", for me and my siblings allowed me to graduate debt free.

2. Consider if university is really for you. I'm probably a bit biased here, but so many young people just want to go to university because they are comfortable in school and are scared of the big bad world. They take one basket weaving course or another and drag along the bottom for 10 years dropping courses here and switching streams there because it's easier. All the while accumulating debt.

If you aren't prepared to put your nose to the grindstone and go to class and study on a full time basis (unless you're working full time and studying part time which is admirable) , then maybe you want to reconsider.

I would seriously recommend entering a trade to be honest. You'll make an excellent living and and will always be gainfully employed. But you'll need to wake up at 5 in the morning and be on site at 07h00 every day and you'll need to work hard. Plus you'll need to apprentice or go to school.

I put very little stock in a humanities or social science degree unless its a stepping stone to a law degree or teaching degree. I guess because I went to university to study in a field where there was a career at the end of school, that's how I view university - a means to an end. I can't relate to guys who spend 10 years at university and graduate to a pass BA and then moan and groan about only finding menial work upon graduation. I mean why spend 4 or 5 or 10 years in university in some bird course to find a minimum wage job? Doesn't make sense. Get a trade, start earning when you're 20 years old.
 
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Did your education cost as much as hers?
If and when a student complains about high tuition fees compared to previous generation(s), I will remind him/her/they that they also make more money when the graduate. We hire a couple of coop students every Summer and they make good money.

I will say that some/many/most students do work part-time so they are doing their part to pay some or all their way.
 

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Was having a conversation with a older gentleman (70+) yesterday. He has been semi-retire for 10+ years, wealthy, not a single worry in life.

We were talking about the pandemic and how diffcult it is for younger generation. I can't believe how out of touch people could be. They still think university is less than 10k, rental is $750, and phone bill is $25/month.

Which led me to realize, these are the exact same people who are leading the countries. They have no idea what the general population's live are like.
Yeah, baby boomers. They are fucking idiot that think they know it all but in reality they fucked everything up.

They are successful because of the work their parents put in. They spent their life partying, exploring, enjoying life, then rolled out of bed one day, put on a suit and found their career job that same day.

Even to this day, you'd think they would be thankful to have lived a great life and welcome death. No, they still want us to keep them alive, entertain them, carry them up the stairs and keep kicking out a pension to their bank accounts. Hell, they don't even help take care of grandchildren anymore, you still have to pay for Daycare.

They have always been out of touch. It's not a new thing for them.
 
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Mr.Know-It-All

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If and when a student complains about high tuition fees compared to previous generation(s), I will remind him/her/they that they also make more money when the graduate. We hire a couple of coop students every Summer and they make good money.

I will say that some/many/most students do work part-time so they are doing their part to pay some or all their way.
They make more but their cost of living has gone up much higher. Earning $50k/year in Toronto is peanuts. Most conventional jobs seem to tap out at around $100k/year and that's with years in. It was significantly easier for my generation, and even more for Boomers, who are by far the luckiest generation in the history of humankind.
 

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Yeah, baby boomers. They are fucking idiot that think they know it all but in reality they fucked everything up.

They are successful because of the work their parents put in. They spent their life partying, exploring, enjoying life, then rolled out of bed one day, put on a suit and found their career job that same day.

Even to this day, you'd think they would be thankful to have lived a great life and welcome death. No, they still want us to keep them alive, entertain them, carry them up the stairs and keep kicking out a pension to their bank accounts. Hell, they don't even help take care of grandchildren anymore, you still have to pay for Daycare.

They have always been out of touch. It's not a new thing for them.
The older boomer men had it much better than the men born at the end of the baby boom. Granted, they did have the higher interest rates on their mortgages in he 1970s and early eighties which we hear about all the time. The men born at the end of the baby boom got hammered to death in the job market of the 1980s and 1990s. Although men with university degrees were better off, they also suffered a decline that was not fully recovered when they got older. In addition to the collapse in wages, the younger men are far less likely to have good pensions.
All the info can be found at Statscan. Very difficult to talk to older men or women about this as their experience was often very different. The percentage of male employees in unionized jobs dropped from 42% in 1981 to 26% in 2018. In contrast, the unionization rate of women was 31% both in 1981 and in 2018. Could you imagine this happening to any other group? The Toronto Star would be screaming abuse!

Please see below from Statscan and wage chart and commentary from a different Statscan thread beneath that:

4 The evolution of wage differences by age
In addition to the narrowing of the male-female hourly wage gap, other changes in Canadian wages occurred in the 1980s and 1990s. One of these was the increasing dispersion of male wages, particularly across age groups, as the wages of young men fell relative to those of older men (Morissette 1998; Picot 1998).

Beaudry and Green (2000) examined this phenomenon from a cohort perspective and concluded that, from 1978 to the mid-1990s, earnings fell for each successive cohort of young men entering the labour market. This pattern was observed among both young men with lower education levels and their more highly-educated counterparts. Furthermore, as young men entering the labour market in the 1980s and early 1990s aged and acquired more experience, there was little evidence of earnings "catch-up." In other words, the evidence was consistent with a downward shift in the age-earnings profile of young men, with no steepening of the age–earnings profile. No satisfactory explanation for these facts has been presented so far. 17

Quite different patterns were observed among women. Beaudry and Green (2000) found little evidence of a downward shift in the age-earnings profile of young women over the period considered. Using a time series of cross-sectional data, Picot (1998) showed that age-related earnings differences increased among women during the 1980s and early 1990s, but did so to a much lesser extent than among men. Furthermore, the growing age-earnings differences found among men resulted from a decline in the earnings of young men combined with an increase in the earnings of older men. In contrast, age-earnings differences among women resulted from faster earnings growth among older than younger women, although both groups experienced increases.

Following a period of decline, wages of young workers recovered in the 2000s. Median real wages of men aged 25 to 34 declined by about 10% between 1981 and the late 1990s, remained fairly constant until 2005, and increased afterwards, returning to their 1981 level by 2010 (Chart 5). Among men aged 17 to 24, the decline in median wages between 1981 and the late 1990s was larger, at over 20%, and the recovery by the end of the period was only partial. Meanwhile, wages of men aged 45 to 54 rose by about 10% in the early 1980s and have been fairly stable since then. 18 As a result, the difference in median real wages between men aged 25 to 34 and men aged 45 to 54 widened from 2% in 1981 to 23% in 1998, and then narrowed to 17% in 2011 (Table 5). 19 The corresponding numbers based on averages are 5%, 24%, and 18%.

2 Background
To provide some context, Chart 1 shows the evolution of the median real annual wages and salaries of men aged 25 to 34 and those aged 35 to 44 over the 1965-to-2015 period.Note7 After experiencing robust wage growth from the mid-1960s to the late 1970s, both groups of men saw their median wages fall from the early 1980s to the mid-1990s. The net result was that by 2015, median wages of men aged 25 to 34 were substantially lower than those of their counterparts of the same age in 1977. In contrast, the growth in earnings that men aged 35 to 44 experienced from the mid-1990s onwards brought back their earnings in 2015 to levels similar to the peaks observed in the late 1970s.

Because of changes in their occupational profile and movements towards full-time employment, women aged 25 to 34 and those aged 35 to 44 did not experience the same wage patterns. The median wages of women aged 35 to 44 grew steadily (Chart 2). By 2015, they earned more than twice as much as their counterparts did in the mid-1960s. Median wages of women aged 25 to 34 grew rapidly from the mid-1960s to the late 1970s but stagnated up until the late 1990s. They started rising again after 1997.

Chart 1


Data table for Chart 1
 
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