Our future after C36 passes?

krazyplayer

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What is the point of this? I guess they publish video for extra shame.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/26570836/prostitution-sting-in-best-interest-of-community

PADUCAH - The McCracken County Sheriff's Office posted a fake escort ad online

A day later, they received so many responses from people replying to the ad, the deputy pretending to be a prostitute said 'enough'.
Deputies arrested at least 8 suspects the first day. The second day, netted 5 suspects.

One of the men worked as a janitor at a local school. Another worked security clearance for a local plant.

Some of these men were only charged with a misdemeanor, but investigators say others also had illegal drugs and weapons.

This investigation was intended to keep your neighborhood safe.

Several men entered the motel room, were subdued, and arrested. They all had varying responses from trying to run from police, resigning to the arrest, to answering all questioning, to remaining silent.

Undercover McCracken County Sheriff's Office Deputies recorded all phone and text conversations from responding to the online escort ad.

Husbands, sons, coworkers were all among the group subdued.

Soliciting a prostitute is considered a misdemeanor, but Sheriff Jon Hayden says it's still against the law, "We don't have the luxury of picking and choosing what laws we enforce."

He says other dangers, deaths, and illegal activity tend to surround prostitution, "There have been terrible things that happen."

And Sheriff Hayden says he wants our area to have a reputation, "We don't want this to be an area where people thinking about getting involved in the prostitution trade are going to feel comfortable setting up."

Nonetheless the pleas often fall on deaf ears, "I'm scared to death I've never done this in my life."

Investigators says they are very familiar with entrapment laws and this scenario is not considered entrapment.

After they were arrested, the men were taken to the jail and waited until they went before a judge later that day. The judge would set their bond and they could choose to pay it or not.

Attorney Emily Roark has signed a number of clients from this two-day sting. She says she's always had a problem with operations like these, pointing out that many wouldn't consider these men criminals.

Roark says cases from these scenarios do bring up the question, to what point is this considered entrapment?

Roark says, "These men were charged with solicitation to commit prostitution which would basically be like an attempt. So its possible they could actually be guilty without an exchange of money, but the question is what the evidence says."

Roark says every case is different, and the likelihood of any charges being dropped is dependent on the evidence.
 
It's a joke and you can bet on this, there will be parts of Canada with Sherriff like hicks that will do exactly what is seen here, I just hope it`s not in Ontario.

Justin for 2015!
 
Justin for 2015!
BUT, do the Grits really mean it?

IF they become H.M.'s Government will they legalize prostitution or is this merely a campaign ploy on their part and wishful thinking on ours?

Will they expand the military (particularly the RCN and the RCAF)

Related to the above will they attempt to return everything to the busman's uniform of his father?

Sorry but I fear that Justin is merely in it for the power and playing everyone on TERB as a bunch of chumps.

Then we have the Dippers,so they at present say they will legalize prostitution, but what damage will they otherwise wreak on Canada, should through some bizarre circumstance they become H.M. Government?
 
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Squeezer Justin is no better. The NDP is better on this. Justin says prostitution is violence against women and the NDP says sex work is work!

C36 is gonna go through pretty soon so everyone better be saving phone numbers and emails. I won't be seeing any strangers after that!
 
BUT, do the Grits really mean it?

IF they become H.M.'s Government will they legalize prostitution or is this merely a campaign ploy on their part and wishful thinking on ours?

Will they expand the military (particularly the RCN and the RCAF)

Related to the above will they attempt to return everything to the busman's uniform of his father?

Sorry but I fear that Justin is merely in it for the power and playing everyone on TERB was a bunch of chumps.

Then we have the Dippers,so they at present say they will legalize prostitution, but what damage will they otherwise wreak on Canada, should through some bizarre circumstance become H.M. Government?

After his annointment as Liberal Grand Vizier, he was a loose cannon, being naive enough to express his own ideas as those of the Liberal Party..... not so fast, Justin! He said that the Long-Gun registry was a failure, only to attempt to retract himself the next day by adding 'a failure of policy'. He fell into a trap answering a question about which country he admired the most: he replied that he had a basic admiration for China. A basic political sense of survival would have had him reply 'Canada, of course!'.

So you can't really tie him to his political opinions of that time. He has handlers and he's going to have to listen to them if he's going to maintain his popularity. He cannot express views on controversial matters that are the same as his opponent, as the purpose of a political party, especially the Liberal Party of Canada, is to get elected into power. The righteousness of any policy of program is secondary to the goal of political power.

My guess is that if the Liberals form the next government, they will get the law thrown out by referring it to the SCC, and then give the whole matter to a Royal Commission to consider until the public forgets about it.
 
Good observations. What I take from JTs missteps is that he's not quite ready for retail politics or assertive enough to dictate party policy. He may well disapprove of prohibition, but it doesn't mean he'll toss it. His comments are consistent with a party leader who has a legitimate shot at forming the next government. Mulcair can speak far more freely as an armchair critic of her majesty's loyal (and perpetual?) opposition
 
It's a joke and you can bet on this, there will be parts of Canada with Sherriff like hicks that will do exactly what is seen here, I just hope it`s not in Ontario.

Justin for 2015!

Where's the LIKE Button?

Ooops...wrong board... ;)
 
My last poll that I posted about %36 of terb members will be doing this rather than risk getting caught.

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My guess is that if the Liberals form the next government, they will get the law thrown out by referring it to the SCC, and then give the whole matter to a Royal Commission to consider until the public forgets about it.

I disagree. My guess is if (when) C36 goes into law, the next government will not bother to touch it. It will not be an election issue and very little political capital would be gained by repealing it. Our best hope is that enforcement is quite passive.
 
I disagree. My guess is if (when) C36 goes into law, the next government will not bother to touch it. It will not be an election issue and very little political capital would be gained by repealing it. Our best hope is that enforcement is quite passive.

Pretty much.

No government is going to touch it. The Cons would not have touched it if it were not for the Supreme Court throwing it in their faces. The Supreme Court would not have touched it if it were not for Terry Jean Bedford wanting to do in calls in a residential neighbourhood.

The only way this thing is going to get killed is if 2 things happen.

1. The Liberals (or NDP) form the next government AND

2. A successful challenge is made to the Supreme Court and the SC throws it back in the laps of the Liberals or the NDP.


If both of those things don't happen, this pig is going to sit on the books for a long time.
 
I would add that the anti-prostitution groups appear to be much better organized than decriminalization supporters. Will they be satisfied simply having this law on the books, or will the push for enforcement?
 
what are they doing right now regarding enforcement of existing laws against rape, child abuse, forced, coerced and exploited sex work, and sex trafficking?

If LE can't / won't eliminate these activities... how more laws will help is beyond me.

If you ask me, pushing for enforcement of THOSE laws is a good place to start, instead of creating more new laws to pick off consenting adults.

It's just so fucking simple. I don't know how they can't see that.

What's even simpler is legislating morality and cracking own on sex for money. Easy to find, easy to arrest, easy to prosecute. Child abuse and rape? Not so easy.

Sex sells and sex gets your name in the media. As a politician nothing is more precious than media exposure.

Crack down on the sex trade?

Perfect. It's like shooting fish in a barrel and we are the fish.
 
what are they doing right now regarding enforcement of existing laws against rape, child abuse, forced, coerced and exploited sex work, and sex trafficking?

If LE can't / won't eliminate these activities... how more laws will help is beyond me.

If you ask me, pushing for enforcement of THOSE laws is a good place to start, instead of creating more new laws to pick off consenting adults.

It's just so fucking simple. I don't know how they can't see that.

Because morality laws are enforced on a complaints basis. The sex haters will find themselves in a new position of leverage.

The rest of your comments are 1. valid, but 2. besides the point (because that train will have left the station once the bill receives royal assent).



What's even simpler is legislating morality and cracking own on sex for money. Easy to find, easy to arrest, easy to prosecute. Child abuse and rape? Not so easy.

Sex sells and sex gets your name in the media. As a politician nothing is more precious than media exposure.

Crack down on the sex trade?

Perfect. It's like shooting fish in a barrel and we are the fish.


But it's a one-sided issue. The other side isn't so palatable for retail politics.
 
I have pretty much stopped already. Will spend more and more time away from Canada. The winters will be much, much colder and grimmer with these laws. I am sure a constitutional challenge is already being worked on. But this is a political no-win.
 
2. A successful challenge is made to the Supreme Court and the SC throws it back in the laps of the Liberals or the NDP.

Well, Miss Bedford pretty much has an obligation now to make that challenge, provided she can get the representation. I mean, this law as it stands makes things worse on everybody, and she's responsible for putting us there; even if it was the right thing to do to try to move this country forward on the issue. It's not her fault we took a step back instead. But, she started the ball rolling and now she'll have to give it another kick towards the goalpost.
 
I would add that the anti-prostitution groups appear to be much better organized than decriminalization supporters. Will they be satisfied simply having this law on the books, or will the push for enforcement?

I think they will be happy with the illusion that prostitution is being eliminated in Canada. As smarter Canadians know it will never go away.
 
I think they will be happy with the illusion that prostitution is being eliminated in Canada. As smarter Canadians know it will never go away.


Smarter Canadians wouldn't have tabled C-36 or advocated so strongly before Committees. I wouldn't count on rational behaviour from religious fanatics and zealots.
 
Hi there, it's me, your old pal Logic. I know most of you abandoned me years ago (maybe you think I abandoned you? I didn't...I just don't yell and scream so sometimes its hard for me to be heard over the cacophonous din of rabble rousing and inane nonsense) but, being logical, I'm always willing to take you back...I bet most of you fellas lost my number though :(

Anyway, even though for some of you it's been years since we had a chance to talk, I wanted to touch base briefly. How are things? I'm ok...keeping busy (could always be busier though...sometimes I feel like a laser disk or something - yesterday's news).

I should probably get going, but I wanted to say one thing before I head back into the lounge where I am routinely abused and left for dead (I guess I'm a bit of masochist that way).

So...this was all pretty much illegal before (look it up if you don't believe me) and things were going just fine. Then that witch looking whatever her name is raised a stink. The gov't didn't have a choice, they actually had to propose a new law given that there is literally no way that a blanket decriminalization was happening (I know, that's me being me again, all logical). Since they had to, why not make it tougher, as in "fuck you Bedford, how ya like me now?" So they did. Now...me being me again...obviously no politician is going to stand up and shout to say this should all be legal, because that would be illogical. So fine, the bill will pass and what was once illegal will again be illegal, in a slightly more convoluted manner. Now looked at my way, you know, logically ;), with budgets being what they are and resources being what what they, would you want to be the politician explaining that you don't have the funds to do all kinds of wonderful tings because you're off chasing Johns who while perhaps condemned by conservative values, most of them actually couldn't care less about? Didn't think so. Logically, (I'm repetitive, I know) a couple arrest where the girls ore heavily pimped or underage or whatever will make for great copy, show that what they did "worked" and may get some people an extra term or two. Are massive sweeps and raids coming? Nope. Are huge task forces being formed to aggressively pursue the client's of established agencies and Indy's? Nope. Ya, ok, advertising and communicating may need to, at first, be a little more clandestine and woe is the fucking dumbass who tries an insanely TGTBT bp ad those first couple weeks (though Darwin and I agree about those people...so no big loss), but other than that? Not too much to see here.

Our future after C-36 passes? Look out the window

Thus spoke Logic (as told to DB123)