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Sorry but I have to at least partly disagree. If you read my post about the now dormant Poly Group in Ottawa, these events happened quite often and were very successful. I can see it being problematic if you are advertising for anyone "off the street" to attend as a client, but the events in Ottawa were actually self-screened in a manner of speaking. Most of them never happened out of the blue with strangers, most of the clients and providers had met before or were vouched for by other people in the group. More often then not it was not organized by the provider, but the clients found the venues and financed them. Often with a group of 5 or 6 and one lady for a gang bang we used downtown hotel rooms. For group activities we often had folks who offered their own place, or again we rented a big enough room. I can't recall there ever being more than 10 people involved in any event and that was usually an event with at least two providers. I don't recall a GB or Bukake event ever having more than 5 guys and a provider.What you just described is an orgy, not a Gangbang.
A Gangbang is 1 girl with multiple men.
There’s also a reason both orgy parties and gangbang have been unsuccessful in Ottawa.
First, what you described above would probably never happen with a reputable provider in any city.
Multiple men for an extended period of time = more work. More work should never equate to a rate as low as what you’re suggesting.
Having a guy there providing cialis or viagra (or any medication) to clients should and would be a huge red flag. And you probably dodged a bullet by not attending that party.
I have tried numerous times to organize a gangbang event in Ottawa and unfortunately it comes down to a few things as to why they haven’t happened.
1. You need at least 5+ clients to actually commit to attending for it to be worthwhile for the provider financially.
2. Not enough clients want to provide a deposit and get cold feet and back out.
3. To host something like this it actually would cost money to rent a larger and more discreet space, plus hire another provider to act as a safety coordinator. To make sure clients are respecting boundaries and not trying to slip off a condom or do anything unsafe.
4. This hasn’t been a reality in Ottawa because clients have continued this narrative that you can get more for less in Montreal. But as you just described above, you get the experience you pay for. So
I’d love to organize a gangbang or orgy party in Ottawa. But client need to understand that this isn’t something you can just throw together last minute and there are overhead costs to the provider who’s hosting these types of events.
For many people this is a bucket list type of experience, not your average 1.5 hr PSE booking, so expect to pay a bucket list type of rate.
It actually ran very well, a lot of different providers and clients participated. Safety was never an issue because people who proved to be problematic were quickly excluded from the group by the other clients. We didn't tolerate disrespectful behaviour.
They stopped happening partly because some clients found other interests, or the lack of a restricted forum which allowed us to organize the events. (The old groups on the other board) Also some clients and probably not surprisingly other providers undertook a campaign of slut-shaming those providers who participated.
The issue of rates may also have been a factor. You make a case for higher rates and it is a valid argument from one perspective. But there is the other side that the providers realized they could only engage with so many people at the same time, and often the clients participating were not fully engaged for the whole hour. So why charge a client $X for a one on one session where they are fully engaged for the time, and then charge $X + $50 for an event where they may only be engaged for a fraction of the time. My point being the provider should be able to set their own rate and not be told by clients or other providers what is right.
A provider has the right to set the rate they are comfortable with. If a client feels the rate is too high then they have the right to not book the provider. They don't have the right to try and negotiate or criticize the provider. Take your chances with LL. By the same token providers should not be criticizing other providers for their rates either, and I do know it happens.
In short, sorry to disagree, but GBs and Poly events did happen in Ottawa, regularly and successfully. If we had a means to organize them or even the socials again in a safe and respectful manner I would be all for it.
Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts…. I certainly have a lot to think about 
stay tuned 
stay tuned But what about a road trip with you Madeline?Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts…. I certainly have a lot to think about
Not in the cards at the momentBut what about a road trip with you Madeline?
I’ve also been itching to organize a naughty party for years but like McKenna, can’t find a way to make the numbers work in Ottawa and also host something that would be my style. Gone are the days of attending an Animal House kegger party, I am much more interested in participating in sophisticated adult events and investing my time into exceptional, curated experiences which are difficult to organize on the cheap. And then rates need to rationalize with a lady’s fees. I don’t want to recruit my valued colleagues for something unless it’s the quality and compensation I think they deserve.
I’ve been to some pretty amazing orgy parties within different play communities, there can be GB interactions that happen organically, but are not the same as organizing a GB party which I agree should have some security and heavy screening. Maybe some do it inexpensively with SWs and hand out Cialis but I’m personally not interested in something that sounds potentially unsafe, boundary-crossing or just non-committal where people can flake. To each their own.
That being said, I do have some fantasies for a boutique private sex party for select gentlemen and couples and some point may get around myself to organizing something if all the conditions are right. It would be a fun thing to do at least once before I retire.
Just a couple of notes on the OIC mixers, which I attended a few times in the past and helped a bit in the organization of. To my mind there were very few restrictions, nonmembers were always allowed to attend, we had many, we even allowed people to drink and gave out drink tickets. There was definitely a lot of flirting and kissing going on and some would bring their dates upstairs after so I personally did not find them restrictive. There was however screening, which I think is pretty normal and understandable. At one point the OIC had over 85 members and screening meant every single member who might attend had to approve of the guest list, so there was restricted access but this was necessary to respect peoples boundaries and comfort levels.
As far as why they stopped, in the beginning, it was COVID. We cancelled the very last party that was planned because the pandemic. I’m sure a lot of group events never came back after COVID and are much more complicated to organize in today. The second reason was that they were a lot of work to organize and required the participation of many volunteers but sometimes the heavy lifting ended up getting dumped on one or two people unfairly. And then they cost a few thousand dollars upfront investment. I’m not sure it would be worth it today, even if we had the money to launch one, as it’s not clear the attendance would be as high as it was in days past.
That being said, smaller events are always possible and would definitely benefit the community. I try to host some things at my house here and there so that we build camaraderie and to reduce isolation. I know a few others do this as well. At some point, I would like to have a fundraising event for the Sex Worker Professional Development Fund that would also be a mixer.
Other things Ottawa needs badly are many more provider resources, SW-friendly banks, accountants, mortgage brokers, car dealers, landlords, doctors, police officers, MPs and MPPs and especially incalls for indies to name a few. With more supports, we have more to offer.
I’ve been to some pretty amazing orgy parties within different play communities, there can be GB interactions that happen organically, but are not the same as organizing a GB party which I agree should have some security and heavy screening. Maybe some do it inexpensively with SWs and hand out Cialis but I’m personally not interested in something that sounds potentially unsafe, boundary-crossing or just non-committal where people can flake. To each their own.
That being said, I do have some fantasies for a boutique private sex party for select gentlemen and couples and some point may get around myself to organizing something if all the conditions are right. It would be a fun thing to do at least once before I retire.
Just a couple of notes on the OIC mixers, which I attended a few times in the past and helped a bit in the organization of. To my mind there were very few restrictions, nonmembers were always allowed to attend, we had many, we even allowed people to drink and gave out drink tickets. There was definitely a lot of flirting and kissing going on and some would bring their dates upstairs after so I personally did not find them restrictive. There was however screening, which I think is pretty normal and understandable. At one point the OIC had over 85 members and screening meant every single member who might attend had to approve of the guest list, so there was restricted access but this was necessary to respect peoples boundaries and comfort levels.
As far as why they stopped, in the beginning, it was COVID. We cancelled the very last party that was planned because the pandemic. I’m sure a lot of group events never came back after COVID and are much more complicated to organize in today. The second reason was that they were a lot of work to organize and required the participation of many volunteers but sometimes the heavy lifting ended up getting dumped on one or two people unfairly. And then they cost a few thousand dollars upfront investment. I’m not sure it would be worth it today, even if we had the money to launch one, as it’s not clear the attendance would be as high as it was in days past.
That being said, smaller events are always possible and would definitely benefit the community. I try to host some things at my house here and there so that we build camaraderie and to reduce isolation. I know a few others do this as well. At some point, I would like to have a fundraising event for the Sex Worker Professional Development Fund that would also be a mixer.
Other things Ottawa needs badly are many more provider resources, SW-friendly banks, accountants, mortgage brokers, car dealers, landlords, doctors, police officers, MPs and MPPs and especially incalls for indies to name a few. With more supports, we have more to offer.
Could screening ever include a recent clean swab urine blood test? I would be deeply into that (giggidy).
Not for unusual unsafe purposes. Just the common kissing oral stuff.
No judgement. But that type of screening should be a routine measure everyone who participates in this industry should be doing for themselves and their sexual partners.
I don’t think that is the type of screening anyone was referring to. When we say screening we’re usually talking about checking to see if a client is safe to meet. And there’s various ways each provider conducts their own screening. But typically it doesn’t include asking for STI screening unless you’re filming content or engaging in higher risk activities.
If that’s something you want to go above and beyond and provide to a provider for your own booking process that’s cool. But unless that provider is familiar with STI screening protocols used in the adult film industry then a regular STI panel can kinda be useless/faked/outdated or just not trusted.
Definitely do it for your own sexual health though
I know they do this in the porn industry but I’m not sure how since there’s an incubation period for any virus or infection, false negatives and positives, a person can come into contact with something after they test, plus people can simply provide fake results. But maybe someone else knows of an easy, reliable protocol.
I don’t ask for test results now to kiss my clients and vice-versa and have never seen nor heard of this for sex club or private orgy so can’t see doing it for a sex party. I think the same common sense rules apply,: get tested regularly, ask your play partners to do the same, don’t play with someone if you’re feeling sick, use safer sex practices, avoid BBFS, use mouthwash to kill bacteria, screen who you engage with, do a body check in person…
Maybe some have a better system
but sex is intimate and will always involve risk. I feel the same every time I eat sashimi tbh 
STI screening protocols within the porn industry are pretty strict. But you’re also looking at individuals who (if professional) aren’t going to ruin a well established reputation by going outside the protocols. But obviously nothing is full proof. They still have outbreaks within the porn industry. Luckily because they’re keeping track of their gigs, film partners etc. and have to maintain such a rigid protocol it can be easily traceable and usually easier to contain outbreaks.
In this side of SW it’s just not as feasible, but then again we try to mitigate risks by not offering higher risk services.
I think for me in a gang bang scenario which I think is the context of my comment? I would only consider giving and receiving bare oral with full clean tests no more than maybe 2 months old. That’s all I was saying. But I’m (I think) pretty low risk.No judgement. But that type of screening should be a routine measure everyone who participates in this industry should be doing for themselves and their sexual partners.
I don’t think that is the type of screening anyone was referring to. When we say screening we’re usually talking about checking to see if a client is safe to meet. And there’s various ways each provider conducts their own screening. But typically it doesn’t include asking for STI screening unless you’re filming content or engaging in higher risk activities.
If that’s something you want to go above and beyond and provide to a provider for your own booking process that’s cool. But unless that provider is familiar with STI screening protocols used in the adult film industry then a regular STI panel can kinda be useless/faked/outdated or just not trusted.
Definitely do it for your own sexual health though
It sounds like you know your boundaries well and if you ever join a GB you can just not kiss and cover up. Nothing wrong with that
(1) A strip club with a great lunch buffet
(2) An actual escort agency, with girls like you see in massage parlors, like Pink (?) used to be
(3) A way not to lose track of girls - web sites good poof, ads go poof, twitter accounts go poof.... (that Busty Redhead from LL got great reviews, the ad is gone, sigh)
(2) An actual escort agency, with girls like you see in massage parlors, like Pink (?) used to be
(3) A way not to lose track of girls - web sites good poof, ads go poof, twitter accounts go poof.... (that Busty Redhead from LL got great reviews, the ad is gone, sigh)
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Sadly places like PK are a time of the past
Due to the current laws around sex word & bilaws in Ottawa there is no possibility of “legally” owning an agency here. Also with the very high competition in Ottawa any place would get flagged and shut down pretty quickly
I think the best option would be something between tryst & OIC and have a list of ladies available who are real
but most of us require screening now…Which I’m aware is a huge topic of discussion on here, but that’s not the point of my comment.
Just legally & logistically it’s almost impossible here.
Thanks, good to know. Then maybe: Escorts who part-time as MA's, and offer MA services that dont cross lines, but during the session or even her twitter account, it's made understood that extra services might be available elsewhere.Sadly places like PK are a time of the past
Due to the current laws around sex word & bilaws in Ottawa there is no possibility of “legally” owning an agency here. Also with the very high competition in Ottawa any place would get flagged and shut down pretty quickly
I think the best option would be something between tryst & OIC and have a list of ladies available who are real
Which I’m aware is a huge topic of discussion on here, but that’s not the point of my comment.
Just legally & logistically it’s almost impossible here.
I fully agree with all the above.Sadly places like PK are a time of the past
Due to the current laws around sex word & bilaws in Ottawa there is no possibility of “legally” owning an agency here. Also with the very high competition in Ottawa any place would get flagged and shut down pretty quickly
I think the best option would be something between tryst & OIC and have a list of ladies available who are real
Which I’m aware is a huge topic of discussion on here, but that’s not the point of my comment.
Just legally & logistically it’s almost impossible here.
She pretty much summed up the situation in Ottawa.
I wish our line of work would be legalized & not be such a big taboo …
It makes both clients & provider’s life over complicated to have to hide & find ways to connect safely. It’s annoying and time consuming..
What's needed, is something along the same lines as uber. Let me explain, and this is all just theoretical: much in the same way that Uber gutted Ottawa's taxi industry, technology is the answer. What you would need would be a server based outside of those countries that Canada has certain treaties with, it would need to be protected and hidden much in the way the deeper areas of the net are hidden and only accessible via an onion router. Each member would use a vpn and a randomly changing access key. There would a central pillar to the structure. This pillar would serve as the body that vets providers and clients. Clients would access info about providers via separate semi-autonomous sites/servers. You'd need a drop gate that could break those servers off should need arise. The central pillar would serve as a conduit for both providers and clients and have access to Air-b-n-b's. Everything's there already, it just needs to be pulled together. ....just a thought.I fully agree with all the above.
She pretty much summed up the situation in Ottawa.
I wish our line of work would be legalized & not be such a big taboo …
It makes both clients & provider’s life over complicated to have to hide & find ways to connect safely. It’s annoying and time consuming..
Its really only Toronto and Montreal with an agency scene. QC has a couple, there are none in the prairies I've seen and nothing in BC or the east coast.I fully agree with all the above.
She pretty much summed up the situation in Ottawa.
I wish our line of work would be legalized & not be such a big taboo …
It makes both clients & provider’s life over complicated to have to hide & find ways to connect safely. It’s annoying and time consuming..
The north I don't really know. I'm sure you're probably way more aware than I am, though.
Is that really the choice of the local enforcement? Cuz its really quite a difference in the safety of the scene without agencies.
Though is legalized better? I would worry that making it legal also makes it more public and then that would publicly stigmatize it even more, hurting business.
I only have the view of the hobbiest, but from my view, Toronto and Montreal are two of the best places, both for safety and the more trustworthy options.
Agencies seem to provide a good filter, from helping the sw's by watching and filtering customers and helping the customers by watching the sw's and having it run on schedule.
