Ottawa Gets Tough on Music Sharing

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What's next? Closing down public Library's? They share all kinds of copyrighted material for no charge.
 
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Escohort said:
We can record songs from the radio and we can tape shows from TV.
So why not the web??
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Technically illegal, but covered since you part of your cost of a tape includes a fee for the music industry.

The other aspect is that the broadcasting services have paid for the rights to broadcast the music. I strongly doubt that the websites paid any rights fees.
 
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reg said:
Technically illegal, but covered since you part of your cost of a tape includes a fee for the music industry.
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Then they need to do the same thing with blank CD's and DVD's because someone will find a way around this legislation real quick.
 
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I download music. Lots of it.

I have a double affliction - a love of many, many different kinds of music and a thin wallet.

But I'm not trying to justify it. Is it theft? Sure. Does that make me a thief? Sure. I suppose I'm just weak - this theft is astoundingly easy to commit, and strictly speaking there hasn't really been a law against it until now. Again, I'm not saying that makes it right.

In my defense - just like you've always heard, I do buy more music nowadays than I used to. I've even bought albums that I've downloaded, just because I like the music so much. And in most cases the record industry - a bloated dinosaur with a business model that hasn't changed since the 50s, might I add - isn't really losing money, since I wouldn't have paid money for the stuff I downloaded. I just would have done without.

I know this is fairly weak justification, but as I said, I'm weak. You can only dangle a forbidden donut in front of a fat man before he eats it. If it's any consolation, I do plan to quit in the near future.
 
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plyrs99 said:
are torrent files, and seeds, easily traceable as well?
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Torrents have always been tracable (the list of seeds and peers will show everyone's IP) and I'm the proof of it as I received a letter from a certain Hollywood studio and my ISP about it. The ISP couldn't do anything at the time so it was ignored but they did let me know the Americans were watching.
 
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i am one said:
Torrents have always been tracable (the list of seeds and peers will show everyone's IP) and I'm the proof of it as I received a letter from a certain Hollywood studio and my ISP about it. The ISP couldn't do anything at the time so it was ignored but they did let me know the Americans were watching.
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How much did you download????
 
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there already is a levy on blank cd's a nd DVD's. The issue there is 2-fold. 1. of the millions collected, only a very small percentage has been paid out to the performing rights groups for dispersal to the copyright owners. And 2, you are paying that levy even if you are using the blank cd to back up your system, store your own photographs and so on. It is an imperfect system, but one that if managed and promoted better, could have legs, in terms of dupliaction for personal use.
 
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i am one said:
Torrents have always been tracable (the list of seeds and peers will show everyone's IP) and I'm the proof of it as I received a letter from a certain Hollywood studio and my ISP about it. The ISP couldn't do anything at the time so it was ignored but they did let me know the Americans were watching.
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It was decided in Canada 3 years ago that an ISP has a certain client privilege and a level of privacy that they cannot give your home address away unless you are being investigated for criminal actions and at this present time it is not illegal to download.
Now if u had received this letter from your ISP mentioning what you were downloading or that they knew what you are doing something that is against there network policy that is different. But they can not give your information to any based on a ip or MAC address unless it is federal agency or some sort of criminal investigation.
 
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plyrs99

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dumb.

i think this whole topic is dumb, right from it's very origins. the music industry has sat back and watched this happened, even as the downloaders ahev stated that they would use legal net services that were fair. they come out with pressplay, napster2, and itunes, yet, they are still expensive to use than if you bought the disc from the store, and all have limitations to the amout of times you can burn them. the music industry never listens, now they are paying big time!

is it illegal, sure it is, but, you think leaning hard on kids is going to stop it? nope, it will only get worse, as kids will find ways that the music industry will never be able to stop.

for me, i have a huge collection of vinyl, tapes and cd's, all bought legally, and yes, i have downloaded as well, through legal services, and illegal sites. i will stop now, because the aggravation is not worth it.

the law has not been passed yet, but, i dont believe they can go backwards, only nail people from the point the law gets passed onwards.

why not go after VCR's then, with taping/copying capabilities? dvd/cd writer/burners? video recorder's? i mean, where do you draw the line? all the music industry had to do, was instead of policing and being bullies, was to put it's finger on the pulse of the net, and they could have gotten onboards and made a pile of cash. they are missing the boat completely....

Plyrs99
 
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Sheik said:
Not quite the same thing wha wha wha. In order to borrow a book at a library you have to show a license, which is your library card. You dont get to keep it either, it has to be returned.

If you take a song and dont pay for it and dont return it, then its considered theft. I dont like having to pay between 10 and 30 bucks for a cd and I think the record companies would do very well if they were to sell songs on the net to burn to your own cd or mp3 at a reasonable price of under a buck a song.

I dont agree with those who share music and videos on the net when the artists or production companies dont get a dime from it. I've never ripped songs or videos off the net for that reason. Sure I will listen and watch if its available on ebaum or something but I never copy the stuff for that reason. It's theft.

If no one paid for these things, then they wouldnt be produced because there is no money in doing it. Capisce?
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So where do you draw the line? I guess you don't cheat on taxes, driven after drinking, bought illegal substances. Believe me all this talk about it really affecting only the lower to middle income entertainers is BS. The entertainment industry is not slowing down, actually booming at the moment. Those lower to middle income support staff are integral to the industry growth. The high end talent is the one that takes a hit on their $$$. And with the rates that I have been paying for concerts and music and movies, which has been outrageous, yet I did not have a choice. So if the govt wants to come after me then let them. They don't have the balls.
 
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Escohort said:
We can record songs from the radio and we can tape shows from TV.
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Reason being is that the Music Industry has bank rolled the Liberal and PC political parties that's why.
 
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Sheik said:
Downloading the latest hit movie from the net is illegal and it is a bootleg copy. You are in effect driving up the cost of buying blank media or going to the movies or purchasing music cd's....

If theft was so small it wouldnt have an impact, but in this case the theft is astronomical and its having a ripple effect.
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I have to disagree here Sheik. If everyone stopped buying hard copies or going to the movies and exclusively downloaded illegal material (in protest of the high cost) the record and film companies would have no choice but to make a correction in their markets.
 
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This guy from the Globe & Mail raises an excellent point(s):
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050329.wmathlaterfront0329/BNStory/Front/

The major record labels and movie studios would like you to think of the MGM vs. Grokster case - which the U.S. Supreme Court started hearing today - as a battle between the forces of truth and righteousness and the lawless hordes of computer pirates who are plundering the vaults of the world's music and movie industries.

"In reality, however, it is about who should be able to control a new technology, and who should be responsible for the ways in which a new technology is used. That's why the key precedent in the MGM vs. Grokster case is the 1984 Betamax decision, which struck down the movie industry's attempts to restrict the then-new videocassette recording technology that Sony Corp. had introduced."

And indeed, control is what it's all about.

Groster v MGM is a key element in the entertainment and software industries' carefully orchestrated plan to gain complete control over 'consumers,' as we're contemptuously known.

Other components include the:

* International law suits launched by the likes of the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) and the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) on behalf of their owners, the major record label and movie studio cartels
* Broadcast Flag, which would remotely control data flow in and out of consumer homes
* Passing of laws such as INDUCE and the many other ‘legal’ controls sponsored by the cartels
* Use of tax-payer funded teaching institutions as sales, marketing and PR outlets with administrators as unpaid staff
* Use of publicly funded national and local police forces as industry enforcers, with all that implies in terms of drains on already scarce manpower and resources
* General rule that it’s OK for the cartels to routinely give financial support [read bribes] to politicians willing to carry their plans, interests and messages forward
* Control of significant numbers of international print and electronic news media outlets


The list goes on.

But for the first time in history, the corporate community is losing control of the ‘consumers’ who keep it fat and happy.

Thanks to the Net, more and more of us are starting to choose, rather than mindlessly accept what's dictated by the cartels.

We now freely communicate with each other, by-passing the mainstream news and marketing systems which until now have been our sole sources of information.

It's called blogging. It's called citizen journalism. It''s called true freedom of speech.

And with more and more people going online every day, to use a thoroughly hackneyed phrase, a new consumer age is dawning and Grokster v MGM represents little more than another struggling, desperate breath from a dying dinosaur.

And in the meanwhile Leo, the MGM lion, doesn't even exist any more.

He's long dead and buried on a farm in New jersey.
 
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