Ontario workers are demanding at least 10 paid sick days from employers
In the wake of the Omicron crisis, the Ford government needs to provide workers with 10 employer-paid sick days in Ontario, according to a group of...
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Ontario workers are demanding at least 10 paid sick days from employers
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Then the workers need to approach their employers.
Stop looking for the government to be your baby sitter.
Stop looking for the government to be your baby sitter.
No.
Vote for the fourth party - Underdog- to send a clear message to the others, (top 3 political parties) people are fed up and will not take anymore abuse.
Every Worker in Ontario needs 10 sick days.
I can see why people would want the government to step in. I have heard from a few people now that they took time off because they got COVID and even though they took longer then 3 days, they still have not been paid for those three days.
One person I know was threaten to lose their job if they didn’t come in, COVID be damn. Some employers think COVID is nothing but a cold and don’t care.
We have a 12 sick days at work already but that is for the year and a note from doctor is required, or a positive COVID test if that is the reason. We are all still remote but being sick at home doesn’t mean you still work while home. We still do the sick note so that people are not always “sick” every Friday or Monday in the summer. Sick days do not roll over to the next year.
One person I know was threaten to lose their job if they didn’t come in, COVID be damn. Some employers think COVID is nothing but a cold and don’t care.
We have a 12 sick days at work already but that is for the year and a note from doctor is required, or a positive COVID test if that is the reason. We are all still remote but being sick at home doesn’t mean you still work while home. We still do the sick note so that people are not always “sick” every Friday or Monday in the summer. Sick days do not roll over to the next year.
For Covid I would be in favour of 5 days but 10 ? That's a bit much. That's like teachers and I tell you without a shadow of doubt that a lot them treat as additional holidays. The abuse in the general workforce would be worse. A few ruin it for everyone. Employers who have already been hit hard can't afford this.
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If I had the money to hide in the Cayman's I wouldn't be living in Canada.
So a teacher gets sick with COVID in February and then in October gets an abscess that requires a day or two in hospital. (I had one in my throat once blocking my airway. Needed to be hospitalized. ) That teacher should be denied sick days because they caught COVID and used 5 mandatory days from work based on isolation orders?
Does that make sense?
The issue with teachers was rolling over sick days. That I don’t agree with but people do get sick more then one time and COVID adds to that.
Covid puts a different spin on it so if you could do it a temporary basis only maybe it could work. But you well as I do once you give a union something like this it would be hell to revoke it.
As someone with medical issues, 10 days a year is not enough for me. And I have not had COVID. The healthy have an complete unrealistic understanding of the medically disabled who are still functioning enough to work.
Single parents who have to take sick days off for their kids being sick (which I accept as a sick day for my employees so long as their is a doctors note) because they have no choice. The dual parent homes have an unrealistic understanding of the single parent.
I could go on and on but there are plenty of example, even without COVID, that show why a 10 paid sick day/ year program is a viable and reasonable solution to the sick leave problem.
Maybe.
BUT, at a $65,000 salary a, 10 days worked is $2500 (at $130, 000 it's5 grand).
Assuming the employer has to put aside this money to and have a larger number of employees to cover for all the time off, those employees will individually get a smaller salary.
Think about it....if you had an office of 10 people (or a store or factory or service company) that's a potential of 100 days off per year. Or for 38% of working days, one person would be off ill.
Add to it 3 weeks vacation..and it's obvious that the employer would have to have extra staff on at all times.
I personally would prefer the higher salary. And for those who don't take much time off sick, or who are always prepared to work that time off via overtime...I'm not so sure this is as 'fair' as you think.
First off is different then hourly pay. Salary, at least in my field, includes a contract and clauses for sick and vacation days already.
It’s the hourly pay employee that needs this protection.
This is a form of elitism. Thinking solely about salary based employees. Thinking people one average have 3 Weeks of vacation a year! LOL. I think not. The waitress, the cashier, the barber, the (list goes on and on) are not in your line of thinking.
Unless I am misunderstanding you of course.
It really does not matter if they are salary or hourly if the employer is required to PAY THEM for not being at work, right? (They are not generating revenue at that time now, are they?)
If the hourly person if off ill, and still paid $20 an hour, the fill in person is also paid $20 an hour, and therefore that shift could potentially cost the employer 40 bucks an hour.
Now, what if the employer had a person who didn't book off ill often, or ever? Perhaps that position could pay $25, 30, 35 an hour.
Benevolent sick leave policy is compassionate for sure , but it costs those who won't avail themselves of it, real money.
(Unless, you're suggesting EI or some other government scheme pay sick time.......? Then it costs us all in higher taxes/contributions.
Without covid why is this problem now when it wasn't 5 years ago. If people want more sick it is going mean very quickly that is less base pay. It's eventually a zero sum game. Aside from covid you end up penalizing the people that don't get sick regularly .
Why would this bother anyone? Is not the goal of life to work one's ass off, succeed eventually and enjoy a warm (and hopefully sex filled) retired life?
