Ontario electricity price hike...again.
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Try to follow. You still save money on off peak however the gap is narrowing because the highest percentage increase is off peak.However the claim made by a few on this thread was that you don't save money by switching to of peak rates. You do, so those posters were lying.
The editorial board of the Toronto Star might even go along with that description.I think calling the provincial Liberals "corrupt, thieving, liars" is being very generous.
So they just pissed away a billion dollars for gas plants, they are flushing away another half a billion producing electricity we can't use but still have to pay for when we don't need it and then they have the arrogance to take more money from us by nefariously raising the off peak rates in the hope nobody catches on. Oh, did I mention that they went back to Samsung and asked them to change the original deal and produce less electricity that we can't use when it's generated? Basically we are paying Samsung NOT to produce as much power, and what they do generate we in turn sell at a huge loss, that's liberal economics. Piss away people's hard earned money then ask them for more. That's a sound energy policy that McGuinty dreamt up, then he has the balls to chastise Alberta for its oil sands? At least they realize a profit for every barrel of oil produced, who's the smarter one on that deal?
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And that negates the whole purpose of 'smart' meters, doesn't it? How much did they spend on implementation of 'smart' meters? Fucking waste!Try to follow. You still save money on off peak however the gap is narrowing because the highest percentage increase is off peak.
Thanks. So it was a lie to say that the liberal promise that you would save money by using off peak power was wrong. You admit that indeed you do save by doing that.Try to follow. You still save money on off peak however the gap is narrowing because the highest percentage increase is off peak.
No, the lie was that they "educated" the public and told us how to save on electricity by conditioning us to use during off peak hours. They then discovered they weren't getting enough revenue like this because the public actually became conditioned to this and raised the cost as of Nov 1 and most recently in may of this year. The fail is that they are raising the non peak cost at a higher percentage than the peak rate. The lie is that we are paying a higher percentage increase for doing what they advised us to do. Fuckers.Thanks. So it was a lie to say that the liberal promise that you would save money by using off peak power was wrong. You admit that indeed you do save by doing that.
I'm still waiting for one of the critics to suggest a solution to our energy problems that would get us lower power.No, the lie was that they "educated" the public and told us how to save on electricity by conditioning us to use during off peak hours. They then discovered they weren't getting enough revenue like this because the public actually became conditioned to this and raised the cost as of Nov 1 and most recently in may of this year. The fail is that they are raising the non peak cost at a higher percentage than the peak rate. The lie is that we are paying a higher percentage increase for doing what they advised us to do. Fuckers.
Though I know I'll be waiting until hell (or Sarnia) freezes over first.
What does this have to do with the Libs lying? I'm not sure there is a lower cost option - unless they scrap this green initiative. I realize that costs go up and there is only one taxpayer, but governments have to stop lying to people and making it seam that they have solutions that they dont. The other point is that voters elect governments because we trust them to do the right thing and to solve issues like this. These clowns never do the right thing and couldn't solve 1+1.I'm still waiting for one of the critics to suggest a solution to our energy problems that would get us lower power.
Though I know I'll be waiting until hell (or Sarnia) freezes over first.
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HEY,...would you please stop with this providing actual facts, like percentages here,...your not being very kind to the socialists here, who don't understand these terms.No, the lie was that they "educated" the public and told us how to save on electricity by conditioning us to use during off peak hours. They then discovered they weren't getting enough revenue like this because the public actually became conditioned to this and raised the cost as of Nov 1 and most recently in may of this year. The fail is that they are raising the non peak cost at a higher percentage than the peak rate. The lie is that we are paying a higher percentage increase for doing what they advised us to do. Fuckers.
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Fixed your post.I'm still waiting for one of the Fiberals backers to suggest a solution to our energy problems that would get us lower power.
Though I know I'll be waiting until hell (or Sarnia) freezes over first.
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How about not blowing billions on gas plant boondoggles and green energy fiascos and reducing the 237 pages of hydro workers on the sunshine list. Just a start.I'm still waiting for one of the critics to suggest a solution to our energy problems that would get us lower power.
Though I know I'll be waiting until hell (or Sarnia) freezes over first.
My mistake, I should have figured that out when the Libs initial ballpark was $40M and it ended up at $1.1B...they are not good with forecasting or math.HEY,...would you please stop with this providing actual facts, like percentages here,...your not being very kind to the socialists here, who don't understand these terms.
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Wait a bit on the green file. In five years it will look smart.How about not blowing billions on gas plant boondoggles and green energy fiascos and reducing the 237 pages of hydro workers on the sunshine list. Just a start.
Poor management comes to all parties. Harper just blew $9 million of the parties money on a failed voter database.
Same issues as E-Health, only good news is he just wasted conservative money, not Canada's.
Depends on your definition of "smart". If doubling or tripling your electricity bill is smart, then green is smart. Here are some approximate numbers for producing electricity in Ontario per MW.Wait a bit on the green file. In five years it will look smart.
Large Hydroelectric - between $35 and $45
Coal - $30
Combined Cycle Gas - $30
Single Cycle Gas - $75
Nuke - between $55 and $80
Wind - $140
Solar - $400
Now let's say Ontario peak demand is 25,000 MW. Traditionally, in order to meet this load with internal resources Ontario would need 25,000 MW generated from nuke, hydro, fossil (coal and gas) and bits and pieces of other stuff like biomass, demand response plus typically 1,400 MW of operating reserve, also provided by these same sources. Providing this generation and operating reserve all costs money. So now let's spend billions of money to install 5,000 MW of wind and 500 MW of solar. What can we get rid of by adding this extra green generation? Nothing!! Since solar and wind are so unreliable, we still have to maintain the 25,000 MW of generation from the traditional sources plus the 1,400 of reserve. In fact, as other jurisdictions like Germany are finding out, adding green is resulting in the need to add more operating reserve from traditional sources like hydro and fossil, and operating reserve costs money. So for a partly green grid to compete economically with a grid with no green, you need wind and solar to cost the same (or less than) than combined cycle gas. That is, the cost of wind had to reduce from $140 to $30 and the cost of solar from $400 to $30. In five years. Not likely.
And I don't buy into the argument that spending more on green power generation results in lower health costs. Nonsense. Smoking has decreased significantly over the last two decades and I don't see a corresponding decrease in health care costs. No doubt less air pollution means less breathing related issues, but just like smoking cessation, the health care dollars will still get spent, just on something else. There is no net savings to you and me as electricity consumers and taxpayers. Green is expensive, very expensive. But if very expensive meets the definition of smart, then in five years I will agree it was smart.
