Only 22% of Russians believe Navalny poisoned by state
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Ok so lets get this straight, you guys actually believe Navalny spent hours in underwear laced with weapons grade nerve agent, did not get any antidote in any timely fashion, and has somehow emerged alive and with no long term serious damage? Yeah it appears to me Russians are not the dumb ones here. In fact they are generally recognized to be pretty clever and skeptical people. This stuff is somewhat more dangerous then bad sushi.
he did get the antidote in timely fashion. Atropine. One of the killers confirmed it. Get your facts straight.
When? You need the antidote in minutes. How could they possibly conclude it was novichok so quickly, that conclusion was reached in Germany a long time after he fell ill.
Nope, the most of the poisoned who survived did not dieRussia has a poor track record of killing opponents and former spies with extremely toxic poisons. Most of those poisoned - don't die.
Navalny and Russia’s arsenal of exotic poisons
Nerve agent was apparently used on Putin critic Alexei Navalny – and Russia has a history of poisonings.www.bbc.com
. We simply do not know about many poisoned who dies because it is not that easy to recognise the poisoning after the death even if one will look for it. Recent (about 2-3 weeks ago) studies identifies a few more dead people who was, most likely, successfully poisoned by the same FSB agents. And about "if FSB want them dead they would be dead" argument: there is a good Russian joke about it: Putin surrounds himself with loyal people but expect them to perform as if they were competent.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-politics-navalny-health-idUSKBN25X0MA
he was only give 3mg not a dose you would use for Novichok. To counter novichok: "
To treat exposure to Novichok agents, doctors should immediately start IV atropine, as they would with other organophosphate exposure, administering 2 to 6 mg every 5 to 10 minutes, according to Dr. Chai's article.
Atropine is has many uses.
this is the investigation https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-...licated-in-alexey-navalny-novichok-poisoning/
One of the killers admitted to it on a recorded phone call. Russia gave an extremely weak official response to this basically half admitting it. That closes that inquiry for me.
How do you know that was not one of Nevalnys associates? Man.. as if you can just call an FSB assasin. "Hi FSB can you connect me with assassiantions dept please?
Please Hold.
Their evidence is laughable. As if FSB and GRU agents would travel under their own name during an assasination plot. As if all this data is so easily available to analyze.
I've heard good arguments that Earth is flat too. I'll just put you on ignore, sorry.
Who cares. Bellingcat is just a portal to spread a thin layer of contrived facts on Western propaganda...but they do also publish facts to maintain their credibiliy. You have to spot what is real and what contrived. Generally if it does not involve the great power game key players it is likely to be true.
Doctor who treated Navalny after Novichok poisoning dies suddenly
Dr Sergei Maksimishin was in charge of intensive care at the Omsk hospital where the opposition leader was taken after he fell ill on a plane which was forced to make an emergency landing.
Much as I hate quoting the Faily Fail, it says that the doctor who corroborated Navalny's poisoning himself suddenly and "unexpectedly" just died of a massive blood pressure hike and sudden heart attack.
Certainly not something Vlad V Putin would ever have happen. Odd medical occurrences occur all the time. Especially in Russia. And especially to groups of people somehow connected to one another.
The agenda (if you look at the timing) is to put pressure on Germany to cancel Nord Stream 2. Who says the consipracy is airtight? there are holes in it you could drive a truck thorough. It only appears airtight because you are receptive to the argument. They are preaching to the choir and you don't really need to be that convincing.
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Except I have not read any Russian corroborations of poisoning and this is not the Dr. who treated Nevalny in emergency. The reuters article I quoted was from the toxicologist and you can see a lot of subtle spin even in that article. Atropine is not just used for Novichok it is used for a lot of situations, you can check. If it was Novichok they suspected (and there is no way to know this instantly or very quickly) then the way Atropine would have been used is VERY different and in massive doses. This guy MAY have treated Nevalny only after he was stabailized by emergency.Doctor who treated Navalny after Novichok poisoning dies suddenly
Dr Sergei Maksimishin was in charge of intensive care at the Omsk hospital where the opposition leader was taken after he fell ill on a plane which was forced to make an emergency landing.www.dailymail.co.uk
Much as I hate quoting the Faily Fail, it says that the doctor who corroborated Navalny's poisoning himself suddenly and "unexpectedly" just died of a massive blood pressure hike and sudden heart attack.
Certainly not something Vlad V Putin would ever have happen. Odd medical occurrences occur all the time. Especially in Russia. And especially to groups of people somehow connected to one another.
The OPCW identified the toxin as a cholinesterase inhibitor structurally resembling the known Novichok variants, but one that was not included in the list of banned nerve agents updated after the Skripal poisoning in 2018. This implied that the agent used on Navalny was of a more recent, previously unknown type.
Ok so why then does this automatically mean its the Russian State when even the OPCW has not identified the chemical . Also you know where you can get cholinesterase inhibitor? THE DRUG STORE... yes I kid you not. lol
