ONCE C-36 is Law ..... Where will you Guys prefer INCALL?? HOTEL OR CONDO ?

[fmahovalich]

Ding ding ding

I am not so sure on employing a 'spotter'? Will need to Re read the bill.

in that case, a pimp would have his three ladies in one apartment....be legal...and the girls immune from prosecution.

Proving it would be difficult....but not so sure they can have a phone/security person.... Earning profits from the sexual activities...(includes massage parlours)

I may be wrong

If so, this would open the doors to pimps being 'legal'."cause we all know the resume of a 'security' guy. Lol

 

[bobcat40]

From what I heard during yesterdays meeting. Escorts are allowed to share an apartment/place so long as no one exploits the other. For example 3 escorts can share a 3 bedroom apartment, each are allowed to entertain there but they are not allowed to exploit each other by telling them, when, where and how to work.

Escorts are allowed to have a person who can be security, record license plate numbers (spotter) and who will keep them safe.

Well ideally what you are saying is true. But in practical terms there are many sections in the law that could be used if an officer wanted to give you trouble:

1) How are you going to advertise out of your 3 bedroom apartment if all internet advertisements are technically banned for enabling prostitution?
2) By having a larger scale operation you are vulnerable to be found to be operating a commercial enterprise and receiving a material benefit from such an arrangement (In legal terms, you don't need to be running a massage parlour or agency to be deemed a commercial enterprise)
3) Your larger scale operation will undoubtedly disturb neighbors who will complain to police. Once it is known that this apartment is used for prostitution they can easily start harassing and arresting clients

I don't realistically think the police enforcement is going to change much from what it is today. But I do want to point out that Bill C-36 provides police all the tools to stop prostitution from occurring if they see fit.

 

[fmahovalich]

For the girls in tune with prostitution and this law....C-36 actually helps them.

they can set up their location....advertise....recieve guests....recieve money....eliminate a middle man....and not be prosecuted.

I would ask the ladies....is this not a good thing?

Because.....(and follow the money boys) the real losers here are the pimps, agencies, advertisers and media. There is revenue being lost.

Revenue the ladies may well try to claim...by upping prices. As ladies drop off, demand may push ladies prices up....while eliminTing marketing and pimps and middle men, may help push prices down.

 

[DB123]

I am not so sure on employing a 'spotter'? Will need to Re read the bill.

in that case, a pimp would have his three ladies in one apartment....be legal...and the girls immune from prosecution.

Proving it would be difficult....but not so sure they can have a phone/security person.... Earning profits from the sexual activities...(includes massage parlours)

I may be wrong

If so, this would open the doors to pimps being 'legal'."cause we all know the resume of a 'security' guy. Lol

Sorry, to clarify I meant the rest. That was the first I'd ever heard of a spotter. My point, either way, was that an agency becomes a co-op, so to speak, and may find that very little has changed (sans the owner, I suppose)

 

[fmahovalich]

Sorry, to clarify I meant the rest. That was the first I'd ever heard of a spotter. My point, either way, was that an agency becomes a co-op, so to speak, and may find that very little has changed (sans the owner, I suppose)

You are correct...but the owner would have to be a 'volunteer'

Quite honestly the girls are better off....I never believed they should peel off hard earned cash to hand to a pimp (spotter) when they did all the work. Can't stand pimps and their abuse of women(girls)

 

[canada-man]

how will the girls better off when their clients are criminalized?

 

[jcpro]

For the girls in tune with prostitution and this law....C-36 actually helps them.

they can set up their location....advertise....recieve guests....recieve money....eliminate a middle man....and not be prosecuted.

I would ask the ladies....is this not a good thing?

Because.....(and follow the money boys) the real losers here are the pimps, agencies, advertisers and media. There is revenue being lost.

Revenue the ladies may well try to claim...by upping prices. As ladies drop off, demand may push ladies prices up....while eliminTing marketing and pimps and middle men, may help push prices down.

There will be no increase in prices. If anything, at least in short term, we'll see decrease in prices. Many johns will stop, most will assume wait and see attitude to see how LE will react. It has to do with risk and we will be assuming all the risk. Personally, as soon as the law passes, I will no longer use agencies. Only well established, independent SPs that will not cooperate with the Crown. Younger and inexperienced girls are just too easy to intimidate and manipulate by the authorities. The well established ones will not play Crown's ball, thanks to internet, if they help to bust a john, they'll be looking for another line of work in a New York minute.

 

[fmahovalich]

I agree..the established girls will be obtainable and trustworthy.

police...doing stings,...will have a field day with the unknowing Johns.


And backpage girls (although backpage will not exist) may find it easier to call the police...as they have immunity....so if you screw over the lesser ladies."they may turn you in.

 

[Viggo Rasmussen]

And backpage girls (although backpage will not exist) may find it easier to call the police...as they have immunity....so if you screw over the lesser ladies."they may turn you in.

backpage will exist, it's American where prostitution is more illegal than your friend Harper would dare.

 

[Hailey♥4U]

backpage will exist, it's American where prostitution is more illegal than your friend Harper would dare.

My credit card charges from BP indicate the UK.

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

My credit card charges from BP indicate the UK.

YUP .... the Company is set up there / owned now by U.K. company. Just like Off- Shore gambling , immune from U.S. or Canadian interference :thumb:
I am not sure that Police , ( like we see in the Southern United States ) will set up ads on B.P. , Have Female cop in HOTEL ROOM posing as S.P. to lure clients & arrest upon arrival.

 

[lovelatinas]

I prefer 55 division myself.

 

[Hailey♥4U]

YUP .... the Company is set up there / owned now by U.K. company. Just like Off- Shore gambling , immune from U.S. or Canadian interference :thumb:
I am not sure that Police , ( like we see in the Southern United States ) will set up ads on B.P. , Have Female cop in HOTEL ROOM posing as S.P. to lure clients & arrest upon arrival.

If the client doesn't say "what he is there for" he can't be arrested.
Clients need to be smart and not desperate.
But keep in mind some cops lie. Your word against theirs. Judges have a tendency to believe the cop. Tape your conversation with new girls.

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

If the client doesn't say "what he is there for" he can't be arrested.
Clients need to be smart and not desperate.
But keep in mind some cops lie. Your word against theirs. Judges have a tendency to believe the cop. Tape your conversation with new girls.

YUPPER!!! Especially if all you are doing is visiting a S.P. & is not undercover cop. THEN COPS GOT NOTHING!!! In the States whenever Guys decided not to plee quilty but go to TRIAL.... they always throw out the case. For 14 YEARS .... I instructed clients & escorts to NEVER PLEE .... go to trial. EVERYTIME the case thrown out!!! :thumb:

 

[squeezer]

YUPPER!!! Especially if all you are doing is visiting a S.P. & is not undercover cop. THEN COPS GOT NOTHING!!! In the States whenever Guys decided not to plee quilty but go to TRIAL.... they always throw out the case. For 14 YEARS .... I instructed clients & escorts to NEVER PLEE .... go to trial. EVERYTIME the case thrown out!!! :thumb:

Do you have proof of this? If this were the case then why would not everyone go to trial?

The US also has a constitution, why hasn't it come into play?

 

[Hailey♥4U]

A friend of mine back in the 90's got arrested at the same time budget escorts (schlomo and alexis?) and Kasey's/tlc did too.
She plead not guilty and went to court...cost her $4,000 and 4 days in court, her charges were dropped. Cost the government over $175,000 to bring her to trial.
The other two plead guilty and had to pay fines and had stipulations put on them as well as a criminal record.

Never speak to cops without a lawyer ever!!!!
All you need to do is give them name and DOB I believe any others question need a reply of "I would like a lawyer".

 

[jcpro]

Bad Idea, the cops can just park outside of a reputable sex worker house and wait for you to arrest you leaving her place as they do in Sweden.

Not enough for a conviction in Canada.

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

Do you have proof of this? If this were the case then why would not everyone go to trial?

The US also has a constitution, why hasn't it come into play?

In the U.S. the soliciting for prostitution law is a misdemeanor. Plead guilty & get suspended sentence ... a fine. Many think this is quick & cheap way out. I do not like this kind of plea bargaining on this situation of morality squad going around entrapping people. I quickly found out ..... If girls or clients said no deal .... set me a date for trail , then come trail date it was thrown out. Courts too backlogged. Come trail date always need to bump to another date .... so prosecuter just threw out.... always. They never wanted to really take up court time & expense for a misdemeanour. Same in Canada .... the prostitution charge on a client will be Non-Indictable offence. Overloaded courts will throw out if you push for your 1 day trial

 

[tegR]

"...the prostitution charge on a client will be Non-Indictable offence."

Source for this assertion?

If the charge was a summary offense (non-indictable) it would quite literally change everything. Generally, if you can afford to hobby then you're in a position to be unconcerned about any reasonably sane monetary fine. Kind of like if you can afford a car, you can generally afford to risk ~$300 fine for speeding 120 on the 401.

What nobody can afford is an indictable conviction and the associated criminal record. It is a financial death sentence for the vast majority of working people. Even if you are completely independently wealthy, it still fucks up your life in regards to travel and etc.

To go back to the speeding analogy, take a look at 50km/hr over - potential fine of $10,000 and vehicle impound costs. Yet people regularly risk it and do get caught doing it. If they were to make it indictable (criminal record result) I would bet nobody with anything to lose would ever do it again, period.

So where did you see anything concrete stating that charges on buyers would be summary offenses? Please post link.

 

[AdamH]

A list? you can use my name if you want. Sometimes it's Bill, sometimes it's Pete, I think I went with Abdul once...

I thought they'd ask for I.D. ... Otherwise, what's the point?