Omar Khadre
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The question is fine as the natural default assumption is not that he would have told everybody.
Those who think he is corrupt would have voted the same anyways and those who don't think he is personally corrupt would presume that he would try to keep the information secure and they also voted accordingly.
"trusted with intelligence" regarding OBL implies the tightest security.
Here's a good way to think about the situation:
Omar confessed to making and planting bombs to kill civilians and coalition troops in A-stan. There is video evidence of this.
Now, substitute "making & planting bombs" with "firing harpoons", and replace "civilians and coalition troops" with "whales", and finally switch "A-stan" with "the ocean".
So now we have "Omar confessed to firing harpoons to kill whales in the ocean".
How do you feel about this??
You're right. At the same time, 42% of people believing that the United States is incapable of delivering a fair trial to Omar Khadr is troubling. No?
Oh I forgot you don't care about the means, you only care about the ends. To hell with fair trials and free courts so long as we believe we're locking up the right people and not locking up the wrong people--according to your own personal judgement of who, on the basis of media reports only, is right and wrong.
Some Tories want traitors tried for high treason
OTTAWA - The Conservative Party will debate later this month whether to automatically strip violent traitors of their citizenship and try them for high treason.
Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney's Calgary Southeast riding association tabled the resolution. It will be up for debate at the party's national convention here on the weekend of June 10.
While none of the 80 resolutions on the convention's agenda would be binding on the Conservative government -- even if they pass -- they do offer a glimpse into the mindset of some of the party's members.
The treason resolution reads: "The Conservative Party of Canada believes that any Canadian citizen ... who commits treason by taking up arms against the Canadian Forces or the Forces of Canada's Allies automatically invalidates his or her Canadian citizenship or claim to Canadian citizenship and, if and when returned to the jurisdiction of the Canadian Legal System, should be tried for high treason under the Canadian Criminal Code."
High treason carries a life sentence.
And while the resolution doesn't name Omar Khadr, some have dubbed it the "Khadr resolution."
Khadr, a Canadian citizen, pleaded guilty to throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. Special Forces soldier in a July 2002 firefight in Afghanistan. Khadr was 15 at the time. He also admitted he planted explosives for al-Qaida. In exchange for his guilty plea, he received an eight-year sentence. This fall, after serving one year at a prison at the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Khadr will be eligible to apply to serve out the rest of his sentence in Canada, and as part of the plea deal, the U.S. government agreed to support his transfer request.
Alex Neve, the secretary general for Amnesty International Canada, says the resolution reeks of the Conservative Party's unwillingness to recognize the human rights concerns in Khadr's case.
"I'm quite confident that something of this sort would never see the light of day in terms of law-making. It just has too many obvious shortcomings and flaws. It violates the Charter of Rights; it violates international human-rights standards; it's unworkable and impractical," he said. "But even though I'm not concerned about this suddenly becoming a bill in the House of Commons this fall, I think it is an unfortunate indication of the sentiment that many within the Conservative Party hold with respect to this case."
Fred DeLorey, the Conservative Party's director of communications, said the party doesn't comment on resolutions before they are debated at the convention.
Since 1977, the Canadian government has revoked the citizenship of 66 people, and officials hinted Tuesday the process can be a long one.
Celyeste Power, a spokeswoman for Kenney, said the minister's office won't comment on the resolution, but added, "citizenship revocation is an important tool used to protect our country and Canadians. It protects the value of Canadian citizenship and ensures the integrity of our citizenship process."
OTTAWA - The Conservative Party will debate later this month whether to automatically strip violent traitors of their citizenship and try them for high treason.
Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney's Calgary Southeast riding association tabled the resolution. It will be up for debate at the party's national convention here on the weekend of June 10.
While none of the 80 resolutions on the convention's agenda would be binding on the Conservative government -- even if they pass -- they do offer a glimpse into the mindset of some of the party's members.
The treason resolution reads: "The Conservative Party of Canada believes that any Canadian citizen ... who commits treason by taking up arms against the Canadian Forces or the Forces of Canada's Allies automatically invalidates his or her Canadian citizenship or claim to Canadian citizenship and, if and when returned to the jurisdiction of the Canadian Legal System, should be tried for high treason under the Canadian Criminal Code."
High treason carries a life sentence.
And while the resolution doesn't name Omar Khadr, some have dubbed it the "Khadr resolution."
Khadr, a Canadian citizen, pleaded guilty to throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. Special Forces soldier in a July 2002 firefight in Afghanistan. Khadr was 15 at the time. He also admitted he planted explosives for al-Qaida. In exchange for his guilty plea, he received an eight-year sentence. This fall, after serving one year at a prison at the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Khadr will be eligible to apply to serve out the rest of his sentence in Canada, and as part of the plea deal, the U.S. government agreed to support his transfer request.
Alex Neve, the secretary general for Amnesty International Canada, says the resolution reeks of the Conservative Party's unwillingness to recognize the human rights concerns in Khadr's case.
"I'm quite confident that something of this sort would never see the light of day in terms of law-making. It just has too many obvious shortcomings and flaws. It violates the Charter of Rights; it violates international human-rights standards; it's unworkable and impractical," he said. "But even though I'm not concerned about this suddenly becoming a bill in the House of Commons this fall, I think it is an unfortunate indication of the sentiment that many within the Conservative Party hold with respect to this case."
Fred DeLorey, the Conservative Party's director of communications, said the party doesn't comment on resolutions before they are debated at the convention.
Since 1977, the Canadian government has revoked the citizenship of 66 people, and officials hinted Tuesday the process can be a long one.
Celyeste Power, a spokeswoman for Kenney, said the minister's office won't comment on the resolution, but added, "citizenship revocation is an important tool used to protect our country and Canadians. It protects the value of Canadian citizenship and ensures the integrity of our citizenship process."
If Omar Khadr was tried in a fair court (i.e., a Canadian court) and found guilty of high treason I would have no problem with that. Would you agree this should be done only through the Canadian judicial system? If so I'm 100% on board with it. I don't think I want to give the Minister the power to arbitrarily label anyone he dislikes a traitor and strip their citizenship without trial, though.
I really would like to see Omar Khadr get a fair trial, I think we all deserve to know whether or not he really did the things the American accuse him of.
I really would like to see Omar Khadr get a fair trial, I think we all deserve to know whether or not he really did the things the American accuse him of.
Funny, you advocate us going to war with a large nation on exactly the same information...odd that.
We don't have the evidence and witnesses so I don't see how this case can be tried here any more than it could be tried in Europe or Asia.
The case is closed and the Americans are not coming up here to retry it and anything less would be a show trial to exonerate this poor misunderstood kid.
You have some knowledge of the Iranian threat beyond media reports and your own personal judgment?
Tell us about your secret sources.
Yes I would but I didn't say that Khadr should be tried in Europe or Asia.
Why would you think that a Canadian Crown prosecutor would be in a position to retry this case?
In the matter of Khadr's treason, this could possibly be based on his confession and any other admissions he has made over the years.
And perhaps some American witnesses would come up here to testify for this proceeding as some undoubtedly think that Khadr got off easy in his other case.
Perhaps that video of him gleefully making bombs was really just fireworks?
You don't even understand the way in which you are wrong. You're too stupid, and too arrogant to get it.
The upper levels of Pakistan's government co-operate in the fight against terror. The upper levels of Iran's government contribute to the terrorists. Iran is a state sponsor of terror. Pakistan is not--there may be some infiltration of the Pakistani ISI and some lower level military units, but this is opposed by the top authorities in Pakistan, which has acknowledge the problem.
Iran funds Hamas and Hezbollah. The Iranian president and Supreme Leader have both openly called for attacks on other nations.
You may or may not agree with my position, but you are certainly wrong in saying that my reasons for calling for the overthrow of Iran are based on the same information as in Pakistan. Just wrong.
In particular he should not be stripped of his citizenship based on the findings of an American court. Even if he had been tried by a proper American domestic court--where I think he would have gotten a fair trial--I would object as a matter of principle to a Canadian citizenship being removed on the basis of the findings of a foreign court.
Actually I think the Americans have screwed the pooch. They have so badly botched Khadr's case that I don't think it's any longer possible for him to get a fair trial anywhere.
Potentially they could (and should) scrap the finding against him and have him retried by a proper (UCMJ) military tribunal or a domestic American court. In either of those venues I am sure he would receive a fair trial.
A Canadian judge would probably throw those confessions out on the grounds that they are the products of torture. So would a domestic American judge or a UCMJ presiding officer. That's the main reason why he wasn't tried under the ordinary American system--the prosecutors and the army brass were aware that the confessions would be tossed under the ordinary rules. So they made special rules just for him at Gitmo that allowed confessions extracted under torture to be used as evidence--something that is wholly unconscionable in the ordinary American military and domestic courts.
Perhaps there would be other evidence that could prove his guilt? It's certainly possible. It just wasn't done at Guantanamo.
