Oh no! Another election coming up?

[wigglee]

the sponsorship scandal was puny overhyped fluff compared to the unapologetic culture of deceit, deception, secrecy, manipulation, corruption and contempt for parliament that harper has masterminded....and all this after he promised to usher in a new era of open and accountable democratic reform.........HA HA!....OUST THE LYING ASSHOLE! He also has all the charm of a lamprey eel - his wry insincere "smile" makes me cringe.
On the other hand people like to write off relative newcomers before giving them a fair chance.....how many PHD's does iggy hold, yet some of you are calling him an idiot and a moron. I will reserve my judgement until after the televised debate ( though i would have preferred bob rae in there).

 

[dirk076]

I won't be surprised if the status quo remains the same.

Harper's stealth agenda is the continual 'Americanization' of Canada
As well as sucking up to influential countries for employment
(since he's too young to retire)

Oh what pure and utter bullshit. Give an example rather than the same tired old line. Better than Iggy the American who is far more right wing than Harper will ever be.

 

[dirk076]

the sponsorship scandal was puny overhyped fluff compared to the unapologetic culture of deceit, deception, secrecy, manipulation, corruption and contempt for parliament that harper has masterminded....and all this after he promised to usher in a new era of open and accountable democratic reform.........HA HA!....OUST THE LYING ASSHOLE! He also has all the charm of a lamprey eel - his wry insincere "smile" makes me cringe.
On the other hand people like to write off relative newcomers before giving them a fair chance.....how many PHD's does iggy hold, yet some of you are calling him an idiot and a moron. I will reserve my judgement until after the televised debate ( though i would have preferred bob rae in there).

BOB RAE?????????????? LMFAO!!!!!!!!! See now you have ZERO credibility.

 

[blackrock13]

For 5 years the CONS have been in power and we continually hear about the 'Hidden agenda"...

WHAT HIDDEN AGENDA????
HArper has not and will not go near Gay marriage, abortion - all the left issues.

As an economist - along with Flaherty - they have done a marvelous job.....

And I'm tired of hearing about how he cannot be trusted...and hidden agenda....bla bla bla.

I WILL MAKE THE PREDICTION HERE..RIGHT NOW....CONSERVATIVES WIN HANDILY!!

And what are you guys talking about with the...Americanization of Canada...
Frick..we are already more left than OBAMA...so that theory carries no weight with me!!

Flaherty hasn't got a prediction right yet. A lot of what enabled Canada to weather the recession was in place before Harper became PM. The financial regulation were put in place by someone else that keep the financial world in Canada not get over extend itself as many countries did.

I'm saddened to hear your tired he can't be trust. He's as two face as they come.

He and his cronies have tried to dump on the opposition for trying to form a coalition which by definition exists automatically in a minority government. He basically was in the same position in 2004 and tried to formalize his own coalition then.

We, Canada, may be left of Obama, but that has little to do with Harper wanting us to be more like the US. Remember Harper was PM before Obama was even on the radar.

 

[clubber]

If I had to vote for leaders I would vote Jack Layton. He is the least pathetic of the leaders. I don't really like him too much either. If I vote for party then it is the Liberals they are the least pathetic there. Unfortunately that means the worst of the leaders. So I shall be voting for the person running for MP. So far Guelph's MP a liberal has done a great job and is a good caring person. The other parties have yet to select a candidate but I shall look at them all. I hate to admit that I would rather a small minority government for the Conservatives so the Liberals will realize they need a good leader and get rid of Iggy. Then we get a Liberal government and the Conservatives realize they have to do better with leader and finance minister. It would be nice to see the NDP give both parties a good scare.

 

[landscaper]

RUBBISH... we had a cabinet member altering documents on the sly to deny charitable funds on a partisan basis.. that is pretty much FRAUD. And it is a fraud perpetrated against vulnerable citizens. Also you have a refusal to disclose information requested by parliament. If a government won't respond to a request from a majority of parliament, you may as well chuck out our whole system of govt.

we had a cabinet member altering documents on the sly to deny charitable funds on a partisan basis.. that is pretty much FRAUD You should learn something about cabinet minister responsibility , the minister is responsible and has the final say about all aspects of his or her ministry, funding or not funding a particular file is entirely up to the minister. This particular file was not done of the sly as you say it was done by the minister as a part of the daily business of her office.


The controversy about Oda was not that she cancelled funding for a partisan NGO it was that she screwed up the explanation of who actually changed the document, which was done legally.

The refusal to release documents that may or may not actually exist is an issue, if the documents exist and if they are not cabinet documents. The questions regarding the actual costing of the files are correctly the purview of parliment. The questionable estimate provided by the PBO of the aircraft purchase has raised questions, that need to be answered, and I would actually start with the PBO and determine if their estimate is at all realistic

 

[wigglee]

i say it again....BOB RAE FOR PM!

 

[JohnC]

The liberals want to lose to get rid of Iggy once and for all. He will be back in Harvard by the summer.

 

[nottyboi]

we had a cabinet member altering documents on the sly to deny charitable funds on a partisan basis.. that is pretty much FRAUD You should learn something about cabinet minister responsibility , the minister is responsible and has the final say about all aspects of his or her ministry, funding or not funding a particular file is entirely up to the minister. This particular file was not done of the sly as you say it was done by the minister as a part of the daily business of her office.




The controversy about Oda was not that she cancelled funding for a partisan NGO it was that she screwed up the explanation of who actually changed the document, which was done legally.

The refusal to release documents that may or may not actually exist is an issue, if the documents exist and if they are not cabinet documents. The questions regarding the actual costing of the files are correctly the purview of parliment. The questionable estimate provided by the PBO of the aircraft purchase has raised questions, that need to be answered, and I would actually start with the PBO and determine if their estimate is at all realistic

Of course the controversy has a lot to do with what was done. Clearly her explaination was designed to cover up the partisan nature of the decision. To attack vulnerable people because the organization distributing aid has expressed dissent with the govt of the day violates freedom of expression laws. Utterly dispicable.

 

[landscaper]

Of course the controversy has a lot to do with what was done. Clearly her explaination was designed to cover up the partisan nature of the decision. To attack vulnerable people because the organization distributing aid has expressed dissent with the govt of the day violates freedom of expression laws. Utterly dispicable.

dispicable ..no doing their job absolutely. what right does any NGO have to our tax dollars?

 

[The Options Menu]

dispicable ..no doing their job absolutely. what right does any NGO have to our tax dollars?

By the same logic the government should form construction companies to build all roads and bridges. 'Company' and 'NGO' are interchangeable. They get money to do work that a government deems necessary. Nobody (or very few people) would contest the government's right to de-fund a NGO, but many people find the mysterious 'not' to be somewhat despicable. That's the whole concept of Ministerial responsibility in a Parliamentary Democracy.

 

[landscaper]

there actually was nothing mysterious about it, the minister was informed of the file while away from the office, apparantly there was a time deadline involved and she instructed a staffer to use an electronic pen toput her name on the letter. It happens all the time with all the ministers. The ministers job is to decide where and how tax money allocated to their department . If the file/organization does not meet the requirements of the government the item is defunded.

 

[The Options Menu]

there actually was nothing mysterious about it, the minister was informed of the file while away from the office, apparantly there was a time deadline involved and she instructed a staffer to use an electronic pen toput her name on the letter. It happens all the time with all the ministers. The ministers job is to decide where and how tax money allocated to their department . If the file/organization does not meet the requirements of the government the item is defunded.

All perfectly reasonable, especially the month(s) it took to get there.

 

[dcbogey]

The questionable estimate provided by the PBO of the aircraft purchase has raised questions, that need to be answered, and I would actually start with the PBO and determine if their estimate is at all realistic

You're absolutely correct. IF DND had provided the info then IMHO the PBO would have been able to determine realistic estimates. They just had to use GOA numbers to formulate their estimates.

 

[landscaper]

You're absolutely correct. IF DND had provided the info then IMHO the PBO would have been able to determine realistic estimates. They just had to use GOA numbers to formulate their estimates.

If the PBO did not have the information it needed to provide an accurate estimate they should have published a report that said that. A report of that nature would have done more to validate the activities of the PBO than publishing a report that slagged the government estimates with very questionable assumptions that the government can now point out.

1) The PBO can not complete an accurate estimate of the program spending because in our opinion we do not have the required information.
2) The report as published

Which report would serve the parliment better? By publishing an (IMO) inaccurate report the PBO has done nothing but further tarnish its image. An image that it should be working to establish , rather than assuming that becasue it is an arm of parliment it automatically recieves, respect is earned not granted by fiat

 

[landscaper]

the sponsorship scandal was puny overhyped fluff compared to the unapologetic culture of deceit, deception, secrecy, manipulation, corruption and contempt for parliament that harper has masterminded....and all this after he promised to usher in a new era of open and accountable democratic reform.........HA HA!....OUST THE LYING ASSHOLE! He also has all the charm of a lamprey eel - his wry insincere "smile" makes me cringe.
On the other hand people like to write off relative newcomers before giving them a fair chance.....how many PHD's does iggy hold, yet some of you are calling him an idiot and a moron. I will reserve my judgement until after the televised debate ( though i would have preferred bob rae in there).

Let me see, the theft of public money is overhyped fluff as compared to the claims of opposition politicians , interesting perspective .

Just for teh record Micheal Ignatief has 1 PHD in history as well as 11 honorary degrees, all of which make him very probably an intelligent man. There is a very big difference between intelligent and smart. His actions over the last couple of years seem to point to a man who is not really very smart. Forcing this election will probably prove that.

Quite frankly I would rather have an asshole who can run the country well as opposed to a likeable guy who is incompetant, Bob Rae proved that in Ontario

 

[red]

just get out and vote. get your friends and family to vote- lets get a high voter turnout regardless of how you vote.

 

[nottyboi]

dispicable ..no doing their job absolutely. what right does any NGO have to our tax dollars?

They don't have a right to it, but when they conform to the policies of our aid programs, and have excuted according to the requirements, the govt of the day has no right to deny funding due to the fact they have been criticized. Funny how you cons are so quick to chuck out freedom of speech. Funny how you are also taking the time to defend actions you describe as "dispicable"

 

[oldjones]

…edit…Quite frankly I would rather have an asshole who can run the country well as opposed to a likeable guy who is incompetant, Bob Rae proved that in Ontario

No argument on Rae, or on the asshole we've now got pretending to run the country in spite of any good advice or opinions contary to his own. Asshole indeed. If he'd spend as much time actually trying to do what's best for Canada as he does trying to destroy the Liberals he might have the makings of a decent PM. Small chance of that it seems.

Where's Danny Williams when we need him?

 

[landscaper]

They don't have a right to it, but when they conform to the policies of our aid programs, and have excuted according to the requirements, the govt of the day has no right to deny funding due to the fact they have been criticized. Funny how you cons are so quick to chuck out freedom of speech. Funny how you are also taking the time to defend actions you describe as "dispicable"

The government of the day has every right to supervise and determine how public money is spent, more they have a responsibility under the law to do so. The fact that an NGO no longer meets the requirements of the govt of the day for what ever reason means they will likely recieve no money and that money will go to an NGO that meets the govt requirements. It happens under every govt after every election.
If you would care to explain how I chucked out freedom of speach I am sure it would be appreciated.

The Conservative Government made no secret of the fact that they were going to audit aid contributions as well as NGO's that provided that aid to determine if the aid was being used to get the best effect. I this case the NGO ws found wanting , the same as the aid contribtions to a number of dictators .