Obama visit to Notre Dame upsets many bishops

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Obama visit to Notre Dame upsets many bishops

By Eric Gorski | 05/03/09 06:49 AM
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON — This week, Bishop Thomas Wenski of the Catholic Diocese of Orlando, Fla., will take the unusual step of celebrating a Mass of Reparation, to make amends for sins against God.

The motivation: to provide an outlet for Catholics upset with what Wenski calls the University of Notre Dame’s “clueless” decision to invite President Obama to speak at its commencement and receive an honorary doctorate May 17.

The nation’s flagship Catholic university’s honoring of a politician whose abortion rights record clashes with a fundamental church teaching has triggered a reaction among the nation’s Catholic bishops that is remarkable in scope and tone, church observers say.

At least 55 bishops have publicly denounced or questioned Notre Dame in recent weeks, employing an arsenal of terms ranging from “travesty” and “debacle” to “extreme embarrassment.”

The bishops’ response is part of a decades-long march to make abortion the paramount issue for their activism, a marker of the kind of bishops Rome has sent to the United States and the latest front in a struggle over Catholic identity that has exposed rifts between hierarchy and flock.

Bishops who have spoken out so far account for 20 percent of the roughly 265 active U. S. bishops — a minority, but more than double the number who suggested five years ago that then-Democratic presidential hopeful and Catholic John

F. Kerry should either be refused Communion or refrain from it because of his abortion stance.

“I think they do believe the chips are down,” said James Hitchock, a history professor at St. Louis University. “The election has changed the whole landscape. Now we have a strongly pro-abortion administration in power, and he’s in a position to achieve what we’ve been trying to stave off now for years.”

As for Wenski, he issued a statement and then came up with the Mass idea after angry Notre Dame graduates from central Florida asked for guidance about how to respond, he said in an interview.

Wenski said he will not “preach a tirade against Notre Dame” during the Monday night Mass at Orlando’s Cathedral of St. James.

What must be atoned for, Wenski said, is complacency among U. S. Catholics about the legal killing of unborn children, which contributed to the climate that allowed Notre Dame to think it was all right to honor Obama.

Almost immediately after Notre Dame invited Obama and he accepted, anti-abortion and conservative Catholic groups launched protests, and bishops began either making statements or releasing letters written to the university president, the Rev. John Jenkins.

Former U. S. ambassador to the Vatican Mary Ann Glendon turned down a prestigious Notre Dame medal last week because she was to have shared the stage with Obama.

The university has emphasized that Obama will be honored as an inspiring leader who broke a historic racial barrier— not for his positions on abortion or embryonic stem cell research.

U. S. bishops have long been at the forefront of opposing legal abortion, but it’s never been their sole focus. During the 1980s, the bishops issued pastoral letters on nuclear weapons, poverty and the economy, influenced by the late Chicago Cardinal Joseph Bernardin’s concept of a “consistent ethic of life.”

Many Catholic bishops, however, worried that abortion was getting shortchanged.

Polls show Catholics giving high job approval ratings to Obama, and Catholic attitudes about abortion and stem-cell research largely mirror the public’s.

“I think the bishops who believe abortion is the ultimate litmus test look at the polls and realize Catholics are not listening to them,” said the Rev. Mark Massa, co-director of the Curran Center for American Catholic Studies at Fordham University.
 

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Are you saying Catholics are the same as the Taliban?

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If those ultra conservatives had their way, they would bring back the Inquisition!...;)
 

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Yepper.
Religion is a form of slavery, with terror/fear of what will happen in the 'afterlife' used to keep the sheeple in line....:eek:
 

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WoodPeckr said:
If those ultra conservatives had their way, they would bring back the Inquisition!...;)
Woody your paranoia is beginning to show chinks in your cardboard armor.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Yepper.
Religion is a form of slavery, with terror/fear of what will happen in the 'afterlife' used to keep the sheeple in line....:eek:


Spoken like a true denier.
 

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No one would ever confuse me with a defender of the Catholic Church but to characterize it as a pro-slavery terrorist organization would see to be hyperbola in the extreme.

I'd be happy if they stayed out of politics, used their massive wealth to help the poor and stopped abusing children (or at least cooperate with authorities when they do). I know, I'm dreaming.

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Well I guess the Pope doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity amongst high ranking Catholics.
 

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onthebottom said:
I'd be happy if they stayed out of politics, used their massive wealth to help the poor and stopped abusing children (or at least cooperate with authorities when they do). I know, I'm dreaming.

OTB
Wow.
We share the same fantasy....:eek:
 

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If those ultra conservatives had their way, they would bring back the Inquisition!...;)
All true. But the beauty of our strategy is that no one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition.
 

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All true. But the beauty of our strategy is that no one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition.
LOL!
That's the beauty of the way you guys in the Varican operate.
You are soooo darned cool!.....:cool:

The Vatican .....'Uber Alles'!....
 

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Woody your paranoia is beginning to show chinks in your cardboard armor.
JAJA, read post 12 above.
His Excellency, the Good Pope Benedict XVI made a posting that covered my back on this issue.

Perhaps you are seeing things 'funny' again and may need an eye/head exam...:cool:
 

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The American Taliban appears to be flexing their muscles....and BIG mouths!
WTF, do they think they are in Iran???...


Hey, you know the rules: if you want to visit my clubhouse, you have to follow my rules. Of course, because you are an important visitor, we should be civil and relax a little bit :)
 

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LOL!!!
Too bad the ultra corn-flakes won't relax a little bit....:D
 

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LOL!!!
Too bad the ultra corn-flakes won't relax a little bit....
The zeal of the fanatical :)

Pity they don't show the same enthusiasm to other important issues.
 

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What is the Catholic basis for opposition to abortion? In terms of the new testament?

Now given that the Church is adamentaly opposed to abortion(is it the Catholic church's main tenet now?) it seems to me that politicians like John Kerry who are catholics and who are in favor of choice SHOULD leave the church, as should all users of contraceptives and people who find taking the Lord's name in vain a normal practice. And of course, people who have divorced(and remarried) or who think that divorce is something which should be banned.
 

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What is the Catholic basis for opposition to abortion? In terms of the new testament?
They believe in Natural Law.....whatever the fark that is....
Natural Law is their basis...:rolleyes:
 

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It does seem rather curious and arguably hypocritical of the University of Notre Dame du Lac to decide to honor someone whose views are diametrically opposed to those of the Roman Catholic Hierarchy when it is a foundation of the Congregation of the Holy Cross.

After all we are not speaking of the views of Stephen or Martha in the pews, but rather a University controlled by a Roman Catholic Religious Order.
 
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