Obama remark on black scholar's arrest angers cops

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onthebottom said:
So he was wrong, if he would just say he was wrong it would go away.... I'm always surprised this lesson is so hard for the powerful to learn.

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He did say he was wrong. Like most of the right, you obvously didn't hear / didn't listen / didn't comprehend / chose to ignore it, which is why it wouldn't go away.

I'm always surprised this lesson is so hard for the right to learn.

And it still may turn out that he actually wasn't wrong!
 

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onthebottom said:
So he was wrong, if he would just say he was wrong it would go away.... I'm always surprised this lesson is so hard for the powerful to learn.

OTB
Funny how you never discovered that, the last 8 years....:D
 

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viking1965 said:
He did say he was wrong. Like most of the right, you obvously didn't hear / didn't listen / didn't comprehend / chose to ignore it, which is why it wouldn't go away.

I'm always surprised this lesson is so hard for the right to learn.

And it still may turn out that he actually wasn't wrong!
Actually I would consider "I continue to believe" and "unfortunate" would not quite qualify, which is why this is still a tempest in a teacup.

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onthebottom said:
Actually I would consider "I continue to believe" and "unfortunate" would not quite qualify, which is why this is still a tempest in a teacup.

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You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
 

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Obama fcuked up on this one. Friend of mine is a (black) professor at Yale and knows this Gates character personally. Says this guy's got a huge entitlement chip on his shoulder and it wouldn't surprise him that Gates mouthed off to the officers. He's done it before to anyone that 'pisses him' off.
 

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Obama fcuked up on this one. Friend of mine is a (black) professor at Yale and knows this Gates character personally. Says this guy's got a huge entitlement chip on his shoulder and it wouldn't surprise him that Gates mouthed off to the officers. He's done it before to anyone that 'pisses him' off.
As I said earlier, the initial altercation was fed mostly by ego.

It takes two to tango.
 

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onthebottom said:
Actually I would consider "I continue to believe" and "unfortunate" would not quite qualify, which is why this is still a tempest in a teacup.

OTB
Indeed!
And being fueled by the righties for all the partisan gain they can cram into that teacup....:D
 

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You know Woody, I don't get why you spend so much time responding directly to OTB when he has pointedly not responded to you in months. I'll chalk it up to one of life's mysteries.
 

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Asterix said:
You know Woody, I don't get why you spend so much time responding directly to OTB when he has pointedly not responded to you in months. I'll chalk it up to one of life's mysteries.
LMAO

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Asterix said:
You know Woody, I don't get why you spend so much time responding directly to OTB when he has pointedly not responded to you in months. I'll chalk it up to one of life's mysteries.
LOL!
Not true.
bottie responded just the other day....:cool:
 

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WoodPeckr said:
LOL!
Not true.
bottie responded just the other day....:cool:
Must have missed it, but good for you. Personally I think you've over-fished, but whatever gets you through the night.
 

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LOL
Nothing new.
There's lots of over fishing happening here....;)
 

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It would be a nice gesture if the President also invited the "concerned" neighbour and Miss Whalen to the beer party as well. An example of neighbours looking out for each other.
 

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Rockslinger said:
It would be a nice gesture if the President also invited the "concerned" neighbour and Miss Whalen to the beer party as well. An example of neighbours looking out for each other.
While I agree with the sentiment, it seems to me that Ms. Whalen would like nothing better than to detach herself from this incident as quickly and cleanly as possible.
 

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viking1965 said:
it seems to me that Ms. Whalen would like nothing better than to detach herself from this incident as quickly and cleanly as possible.
You are probably right. Miss Whalen probably wants her life back. Wonder what she would do if she had the chance to go back in time. To call or not to call? That is the question.
 

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viking1965 said:
I actually don't think it qualifies as "profiling" as I don't beleive that Crowley let race influence his perception of whether Gates was a burglar or the resident.

I do believe that this was ultimately a case of egos, which may have been exacerbated by race as Crowley may have been less likely to take BS from a black man than a white man.

Even the black police officer on the scene (in the infamous picture) stated to a reporter that the outcome would probably have been different if he were the first arriving officer, despite supporting his fellow officer's actions 100%. This demonstrates that someone can be completely technically correct in handling something but still not result in the best possible outcome.

Despite their friendship, Obama should have reserved judgement until more facts were in hand. Would you defend a friend's actions without first knowing the facts?

His position and skin color make it even more dangerous. As was demonstrated in the subsequent shit-storm.
Save for the fact that I believe it was 85 percent Professor Gates' ego, 10 percent Professor Gates' jet lag and at the most five percent anything having to do with Sergeant Crowley I basically agree
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viking1965 said:
it seems to me that Ms. Whalen would like nothing better than to detach herself from this incident as quickly and cleanly as possible.
On the tapes it sounds like she really wasn't that all that community minded a citizen and secretly feels that it was all no big deal that two men seemed to be forcing the front door open and wishes the other woman hadn't "bothered" her. :eek:
 

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On the tapes it sounds like she really wasn't that all that community minded a citizen and secretly feels that it was all no big deal that two men seemed to be forcing the front door open and wishes the other woman hadn't "bothered" her. :eek:
Neither her nor the dispatcher seemed to believe that there was a break
and enter in progress.

There wasn't.
 

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danmand said:
Neither her nor the dispatcher seemed to believe that there was a break and enter in progress.
Damn phone call. It all started because of that damn phone call. Now life as we know it will never be the same again. I need a beer. Where's my beer?
 

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Powell: Both Gates, police could have handled things better

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said Tuesday that he has been the victim of racial profiling but believes Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. could have been more patient with the police officer who arrested him.

At the same time, Powell also faulted the Cambridge (Massachusetts) Police Department for escalating the situation beyond a reasonable level.

"I think Skip [Gates], perhaps in this instance, might have waited a while, come outside, talked to the officer and that might have been the end of it," Powell said in an interview with CNN's Larry King.

"I think he should have reflected on whether or not this was the time to make that big a deal. Video Watch what Powell would advise Gates »

"I think in this case the situation was made much more difficult on the part of the Cambridge Police Department," Powell said. "Once they felt they had to bring Dr. Gates out of the house and to handcuff him, I would've thought at that point, some adult supervision would have stepped in and said 'OK look, it is his house. Let's not take this any further, take the handcuffs off, good night Dr. Gates.' "

Gates, a top African-American scholar, was arrested July 16 for disorderly conduct outside his Cambridge, Massachusetts, home after police responded to a report of a possible burglary. The charge was later dropped.

Powell said that under the circumstances, Gates may not have been in the appropriate frame of mind to best handle the situation.

"He was just home from China, just home from New York. All he wanted to do was get to bed. His door was jammed and so he was in a mood where he said something," Powell said.

He recalled a lesson he was taught as a child: "When you're faced with an officer who is trying to do his job and get to the bottom of something, this is not the time to get in an argument with him.

"There is no African-American in this county who has not been exposed to this kind of situation," Powell said. "Do you get angry? Yes. Do you manifest that anger? Do you protest? Do you try to get things fixed? But it's the better course of action to try and take it easy and don't let your anger make the current situation worse."

The former secretary of state said he has been racially profiled "many times," including an incident that took place while he was the national security adviser to President Reagan.

"Nobody thought I could possibly be the national security adviser to the president. I was just a black guy at Reagan National Airport," Powell said. "And it was only when I went to the counter and said, 'Is my guest here waiting for me?' that someone said, 'Oh, you're Gen. Powell.' It was inconceivable to him that a black guy could be the national security adviser."

When asked how he dealt with the situation, Powell said, "You just suck it up -- what are you going to do? It was a teaching point for him. 'Yes, I'm the national security adviser, I'm black, and watch, I can do the job.' "

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/28/powell.palin/index.html
 
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