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blackrock13

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I don't know what "conditions" you're speaking of, the contrast ratio has nothing to do with ambient lighting, time of day, how many people are in the room. Those numbers indicate the panel's ability to produce white whites and black blacks. The higher the number the higher the contrast.

if you've ever watched a low contrast ratio panel (like phillips) then you know what we're talking about. Kuros were supposed to be THE panel for blacks and they were great, but not for double the price.

If you ever watched a night scene in Blu Ray you'll know what I'm talking about.
These numbers refer to a potential value, but since the human eye can only view certain differences, after a particular value the numbers mean little. Also keep in mind the difference between dynamic and static values. Then you consider the quality of signal being sent by the Rogers et al and again the optimum condition is just an idea and not a reality. It's sort of like the values given to speakers being whatever, but the human ear can only hear well inside those values, so the money you pay for the extended range is wasted.

I'm sure we've morphed into an area with more informtaion than Marlene was looking for, but hey.

These articles might explain it better than I.


http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.com/contrast-ratio.html

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/29651
 

tboy

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Ok Black, I get what you're saying but not everyone is the same. Some see a wider range of colours than others, some hear differently (women tend to hear the higher frequencies and guys the lower). But what you're paying for is the ability to produce those images. If the panel cannot produce pure black, then you'll never see it.

As for the rogers signal quality: that's just it. With digital, it is either there, or it's not. It is either 1080p, or it isn't. There is no inbetween.

For eg: you often see a pixellated image. That is because of a poor signal. You won't however get a greyed out image, or ghosting, or a fuzzy picture like the old days of transmission.

A great example is Battlestar Galactica. You see the ships flying through space. With a low contrast ratio the black of space will look grey, not black. Same as the ships. They are reflective so they should be white. On low contrast panels they won't be pure white with shades of grey in between.

Then you get into black. I know on my plasma with a high contrast ratio I often see pixellated black because it can't produce all the various tones of black being sent to it.

A good analogy is;
A bugatti veyron vs a smart car. You may not often need to get to 100 kph in 3 secs. but when the occasion arises, it is good to be able to do it when you need to rather than settle for zero to 100 in 12 secs.

As with everything: if you aren't that fussy about the quality of your screen, save the money. But I on the other hand, think: if I'm going to spend $1000.00 on a screen, $400.00 for a blu ray player, $2000.00 or more on a surround sound system, $30.00 and up for Blu Ray discs, I do NOT want any shortcomings in any of the components.

The thing most people DON'T do is shop around and be ready to pounce when the right deal comes along. I was shopping for a flat panel and got pricing online, in stores, viewed the images etc and had an idea of what I wanted and how much it would cost me. I sure wasn't going to pay $1800.00 for the plasma or lcd I wanted. I just shopped, watched and waited. I was at the sears warehouse looking for power tool deals and saw a plasma screen sitting there. I walked over and took a look at it.

Here's the details: retailed for $1799.99. That day they had a no pst no gst sale. They had a 5% discount for energy star compliant items. It was open box so it was marked down to $1299.99. It was missing the remote so the guy took $150.00 off. I also negotiated a better price so when all was said and done, I got it out the door and into my truck for $950.00.

Moral of the story is: watch, learn and wait. They strike when the deal is hot. I saved about a grand. (btw, he found the remote after I paid so I ended up with hit anyways).
 

luckyjackson

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Marlene,

If you want an hd box, keep an eye on Future Shop and Best Buy Sales just after Xmas. Last couple of years they've offered the Rogers HD box for $99.00, on its own. You can usually get if for that price if buying a t.v. at the same time, but if you've already got your set, you might want to look out for the sale. They go fast. I was fortunate to get two last year.

I find the difference between the HD pic and regular ol t.v. is worth it. Especially if you ever watch sports or nature shows.
 

blackrock13

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Ok Black, I get what you're saying but not everyone is the same. Some see a wider range of colours than others, some hear differently (women tend to hear the higher frequencies and guys the lower). But what you're paying for is the ability to produce those images. If the panel cannot produce pure black, then you'll never see it.

As for the rogers signal quality: that's just it. With digital, it is either there, or it's not. It is either 1080p, or it isn't. There is no inbetween.

For eg: you often see a pixellated image. That is because of a poor signal. You won't however get a greyed out image, or ghosting, or a fuzzy picture like the old days of transmission.

A great example is Battlestar Galactica. You see the ships flying through space. With a low contrast ratio the black of space will look grey, not black. Same as the ships. They are reflective so they should be white. On low contrast panels they won't be pure white with shades of grey in between.

Then you get into black. I know on my plasma with a high contrast ratio I often see pixellated black because it can't produce all the various tones of black being sent to it.

A good analogy is;
A bugatti veyron vs a smart car. You may not often need to get to 100 kph in 3 secs. but when the occasion arises, it is good to be able to do it when you need to rather than settle for zero to 100 in 12 secs.

As with everything: if you aren't that fussy about the quality of your screen, save the money. But I on the other hand, think: if I'm going to spend $1000.00 on a screen, $400.00 for a blu ray player, $2000.00 or more on a surround sound system, $30.00 and up for Blu Ray discs, I do NOT want any shortcomings in any of the components.

The thing most people DON'T do is shop around and be ready to pounce when the right deal comes along. I was shopping for a flat panel and got pricing online, in stores, viewed the images etc and had an idea of what I wanted and how much it would cost me. I sure wasn't going to pay $1800.00 for the plasma or lcd I wanted. I just shopped, watched and waited. I was at the sears warehouse looking for power tool deals and saw a plasma screen sitting there. I walked over and took a look at it.

Here's the details: retailed for $1799.99. That day they had a no pst no gst sale. They had a 5% discount for energy star compliant items. It was open box so it was marked down to $1299.99. It was missing the remote so the guy took $150.00 off. I also negotiated a better price so when all was said and done, I got it out the door and into my truck for $950.00.

Moral of the story is: watch, learn and wait. They strike when the deal is hot. I saved about a grand. (btw, he found the remote after I paid so I ended up with hit anyways).
I'm not a big fan of extremely high contrast when I watch the tele and I watch a lot for work and play. I tend to soften the image a tad. I'm not totally sold on 240 refresh rate as I've heard at this point it's just hype because a lot of auxiliary equipment can take advantage of it at this time. I look at the control/interface menu a lot for being user (me) friendly. Plasma tends tend to heavier, so if moving it around when your inclined to move furniture or just move to a new address. I've not made the move to Blu-ray yet, but soon.

I like the way you shop and you're right on with all points, shop around, be prepared to walk out, be careful with extended warranties, and watch for up selling of add-ons like high end cables.

When putting together system, I tend to pay proportionately more for the speakers than the other components as this is where the signals transmitted change most drastically. I've got a few sound and video engineer friends visiting my place for shits and giggles and they like things to be right and are not afraid to say so. Mind you after a few beerskies it doesn't really matter much. Does it?

Marlene, I hope you get your set soon, maybe in time for the Grey Cup, or maybe not.
 

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Ok guys, get ready for this. The Samsung Series 8 8000 HD LED TV has a contrast ratio of 5 million (yes, 5 million) to one. The whites are so white they look silver and the blacks are so black they look purple. Plus, it has an incredible 240 hz. AMAZING!
 

blackrock13

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Ok guys, get ready for this. The Samsung Series 8 8000 HD LED TV has a contrast ratio of 5 million (yes, 5 million) to one. The whites are so white they look silver and the blacks are so black they look purple. Plus, it has an incredible 240 hz. AMAZING!
I don't doubt the numbers. The LED sets have come out since I did my buying and when it comes time to update my personal or professional gear, I'll be looking at them for sure, but by then the cold plasma sets will probably be the bench mark setters. The numbers are theoretical and not real life, so I don't pay too much attention to them except in a relative sense. My comment about the 240 hz. rate still stands. It might make a difference if you're watching F1 racing, horse racing or down hill skiing, or something similar, but that's it. I've had a Samsung and didn't really like the interface, but that's just me.

Hey Marlene, what did you buy?
 
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