Not sure what to do. Need input please

[vitto]

My opinion: As client I agree with most of the people in saying that unfortunately it is the ladies and Agency business. As many have advice if she is part of the Boards contact the MODs and see if you can be part of the Bad Client report, unfortunately and I say it by own experience this sction (at least on the other Board) is only open to indys, leaving the spas and agency ladies to deal with it internally.., you have to be alloed in by the other ladies.. Sad story.. I was not allowed by Vote of the rest of the providers... But this is not the story now..

As for the agency part, I believe, they should be there to protect the integrity as professionals and as human beings.. There is no mone y that can buy this so I think is up to them to stop accepting this client no matter how much $$$$ it brings to the business... We are talking about people not objects... To be honest I thinhk the agency should be known to everyone because they are not caring for the ladies all they are caring is about $$$$ NOT COOL!

 

[Pink Kitty Escorts]

So this thread is really timely. About 30 mins ago we had a guy try to force bbfs on one of the ladies and when she refused tried to take his money back. She called me and put me on speaker phone and I told him the we just called 911 and he bolted the SOB.

Here is a huge problem, we are not able to post this kind of stuff in the bad date section on the other board. Now someone else has to deal with this piece of crap. If any SP would like the info and has access to this section I would be happy to provide this to them if they are willing to share.

Vitto I completely agree with you, but if you read the original posting.. It is stating that the Agency didn't know the client was trying to do BBFS. So it would be hard for them to interviene in this situation if they aren't informed.

I'll say this, and I am sure most regulars will agree, when it comes to sticking up for the ladies we are always on their side.. sometimes to a fault. There is no client worth losing a lady to.. both on ethical level or financial level. I can't see any smart agency pushing a client like that on the ladies knowing he was looking for BBFS.

There are some clients that are arseholes, and they can be difficult, cocky ect.. but spend alot of money.. And some ladies are willing and able to handle them..and some aren't.. I think this is true in most types of business. So out of fairness to the agency that is being discussed, without the proper info, I would have a hard time holding them responsible.

 

[vitto]

The agency told her that he was a very regular caller and that she would be missing out on a lot of $$$. That is what's bothering me, this douche bag is out there possibly treating many girls the same way, and some may be giving into his forceful demands, with him having god knows what diseases. He obviously doesn't care about the girls or himself for that matterount heard second hand from me?
Subie

@PK:It seems to me that agency put $$$ before integrity... She may not see him again but the next girl (most likely a new one) would have to put up with this arshole! So Let's see if the newbie has the character to complain!
As I said it also I had a bad experience and wanted to share it with rest of the ladies , but because I worl out of a Spa I was not allowed, and there was a vote put out for the ladies, they did not want me to be part of the group that can report a bad client.. So Is ok, thankfully for me very counted bad experiences but unfortunately for them I won't be able to share..

 

[too2shy]

+1 it's pretty obvious to those looking at it objectively, that the vast majority of agencies in Ottawa are simply pimps.

You're pretty sexy. A mind and solid thought process is a sexy thing. ;-)

Sounds like a terrible agency. If a girl does not want to see a man (regardless of any reasons whatsoever) there should be no questions asked. Girls give up 40% of their cash to the agency for protection and to preserve their own sanity and peace of mind. Only pimped out girls who are being exploited would be scared of telling their agency something as heinous as what she went through. Agencies work FOR the girls and it should never be the other way around.

My advice to you would be to give that girl your sound advice and then tell her what I just said... but do not take matters into your own hands by contacting the agency and trying to exact revenge on her behalf. It's a noble thought but just not the right way to go about things in your particular situation.

 

[Pink Kitty Escorts]

I want to object to a couple of things about what you said, but I do agree with the "spirit" of what you are saying.

Sometimes there are new ladies that come into the business that are a bit timid and don't always let us know everything that is going on with their clients. If they have an issue with a client, some of them "suck it up" and don't say anything to the agency but eventually it comes out in the wash and we find out. Problem is its so far into the future that it is something we can't do anything about, other than banning the client. Hell we have banned clients, and they change their numbers and have a friend call to book for them on their behalf just to try to bypass.. then the lady has this guy we promised not send to her again show up at the suite. Then we get blasted for it.. fair? no.. but stuff like that can happen. From our perspective we would never knowingly put the ladies in that position. It's bad for the ladies, bad for the business and bad for the industry as it encourages the wrong type of behaviour and fosters the image that the ladies are simply commodities , which they are most certainly not.

As far as 40% of a portion of the donation, well I think that is high, our commission is less than that speaking from our position. But to justify that part.. if you were to look at all things being equal you would have to see what you get from a return on investment. We bump ads up on BP pretty much every hour. So if there are 5 ladies on for 8 hours. Thats 270 dollars a day in advertisments on BP alone.. Not counting paying a receptionist, other online advertising.. photographers, drivers, SEO services, website updating, Newspaper ads and other incidentals. I am not saying it's profitable but there are expenses that are incurred. Many of them are fixed expenses not variable. The other part of all of this is when the ladies are working they do have the security of having a safer environment that being independant and are usually less likely to be targetted by the preditor type than if they were by themselves. At the end of their day they can leave and not have to continue to deal with client phone calls ect. That is our job.. When they are sleeping, we are still on the clock setting things up for them on their next shift.. When they are in classes.. we are still working for them.. This is all has to be taken into consideration. I absolutely admire the entrepreneurial side of things as an indy.. And if your goal is to be a full time, professional escort and you have the time and lifestyle to dedicate to that, then that is a very good choice for you.

But for others that have a busy lifestyle outside of the industry, and they want to come in.. have a no strings attached relationship to the business and enjoy their time and be able to put it away at the end of their day, then working with an agency is often the right solution for these individuals. University students make up a large percentage of who we represent, so this arrangement works well in their situations.

Again I really want to stress, if this ever occured in my agency I would want to know about it so that I could A) Deal with the client ASAP and B) Clear up the misconception that the lady involved would ever have to hide it from us as we want to have a transparent and honest relationship with everyone that we work with.

Sounds like a terrible agency. If a girl does not want to see a man (regardless of any reasons whatsoever) there should be no questions asked. Girls give up 40% of their cash to the agency for protection and to preserve their own sanity and peace of mind. Only pimped out girls who are being exploited would be scared of telling their agency something as heinous as what she went through. Agencies work FOR the girls and it should never be the other way around.

My advice to you would be to give that girl your sound advice and then tell her what I just said... but do not take matters into your own hands by contacting the agency and trying to exact revenge on her behalf. It's a noble thought but just not the right way to go about things in your particular situation.

 

[explorerzip]

The affected lady is talking about an attempted sexual assault / rape here, so the best advice you can give would be to call the cops. I'm not sure if there is a Sex Crimes Squad in the area the lady works in, but Toronto certainly has one. I don't think it's wise for a client to intervene on an SP's behalf whether it be calling the agency or the cops unless you witnessed the assault.

I would hope that agencies prepare their girls for such situations, but I can understand if they are worried about going to the cops. I do think most agencies owners (including Pink Kitty's) do care about the safety of their girls, but there are always bad ones out there.

 

[Anynym]

If any lady in the industry needs support in going to police with such matters, I have no doubt that the people associated with POWER Ottawa/Gatineau (powerottawa.ca) would be willing to help. They also provide various resources on their website (although I haven't reviewed most of them, I'm going primarily on their reputation in dealing with local media).

 

[Boob_A]

This is the truth. I am not sure 100% this is about me because this happen to me on Mars 21 at 8pm, but the story Is the same but tweeked and has a lot of lies from the escort.
First I call the agency and asked questions about the girl and if she provide uncovered blow job. The agency say yes. Then I ask if it is include in the price and the agency say yes.
I arrive at the bordello which is an apartement in a building with some girls in it. The girl take me to a bedroom, and then after 2 or 3 minute the escort want to put condom on my penis to suck. I say I want sucking without condom. She say I have to pay 50$ more. But I say I pay 200$ already. She say it is not enough and it is 250$. I say the agency say it is all include and she say ‘I decide not the agency’. I say I will call the agency and complain. Then get angry and get out of the room and take her things and 200$ I give her. Another girl come to the room and she say ‘you want to have unprotected sex with her?’ I say no, she want to have 50$ more for blowjob without condom but the agency say it is all include in the price. I say I never have unprotected sex with escorts even if escorts pay me. She get out of the room and another girl come. The other girl say ‘we ask that you live’. I say I want my money back. She calls the agency . the guy on the agency start screeming on speakerphone all the time about unprotected sex and did not want to listen to me when I tell him I don’t want unprotected sex. He say ‘I called the police and they are coming’. I say to him ‘good I was going to call police also’ and I get out of the bordello. I was downstairs waiting for the police but they never come. I decide to go to police.
I call the agency just before arriving at the police station and the receptioniste say the owner of the agency is not available to talk to me. I want to ask him to give me my money back before going inside the police station, but he was hiding.
I decide to go to inside the police on Elgin. I tell what happen in the bordello, give the agency phine number, adresse and the name of the escort who steal my money. They say they will make investigation and call me.
I don’t know if the agency and the escort are doing this trik together but the police will know if it is agency and girl who steal or only the escort. I think it is the escort only because I am a regulier with this agency and I never have problems with other girls. This is new girl with the agency, about 2 to 4 weeks.
I will stop using this agency now.

 

[too2shy]

I've read this soon to be deleted post by the guy who this thread is based on.. And I gotta say. On both reads (previous user and post deleted) it strikes me as being the truth. Particularly, because dude is so incensed to make the effort simply to give his side of the story.

I can see this happening in a heartbeat. There's been girls in the past who've asked for extra for services, and there will continue to be. Even if ya try and deal with it properly shit can go astray pretty quick.. Add in a less than honest sp and amped up for sure. Shrugs.

Risky game. Ya never know who you're fucking with.


(should clarify I'm speaking to the post above which will be deleted, which tells the side of the story of the hobbyist who attended that night.. Girl asked for more $ for bbbj and he refused, shit went sideways from there)

 

[Hector17]

The OPs' post was on 3/21 at 7 30 am and advises he was told the story "a while a go".
Pink Kittys' post was on March 21 at 6 50 pm and advise the incident he notes was a half hour before that.
Boob_A advises his altercation took place at 8 pm, so not the same altercation that Pink Kitty notes.

I also tend to believe Boob_A . I dont know if it would be ethical or not to name the agency and/or sp in this case. Sounds like they tried to bully him.

 

[Ryan1967]

I think Boob_A's post is not the situation described by the OP...but it does resonate with PK's note (#25) from 8:50 PM on the 21st stating something that happened "30 minutes ago"....interesting development.

 

[Pink Kitty Escorts]

The original post of this thread wasn't about you, but the guy who tried to force bbfs is.. And the Escort that it happened to is on the way in and will be happy to tell everyone the way it is. You receieved a bbbj and when she went to get a dome for the fs you were telling her no no, jason said its ok.. LIKE HELL.. they you tried to force yourself into her.. that buddy .. is rape.. THANK GOD we had other ladies there to interviene or who knows what would have happened.

** Message to the Mod** this guy is a preditor and should not be allowed on to this kind of board.

So we had to call the cops and he high tailed his ass out of the room immediately because of this. This was a case of bullying for sure.. and when she says her piece you will know the deal gentlemen.

This is the truth. I am not sure 100% this is about me because this happen to me on Mars 21 at 8pm, but the story Is the same but tweeked and has a lot of lies from the escort.
First I call the agency and asked questions about the girl and if she provide uncovered blow job. The agency say yes. Then I ask if it is include in the price and the agency say yes.
I arrive at the bordello which is an apartement in a building with some girls in it. The girl take me to a bedroom, and then after 2 or 3 minute the escort want to put condom on my penis to suck. I say I want sucking without condom. She say I have to pay 50$ more. But I say I pay 200$ already. She say it is not enough and it is 250$. I say the agency say it is all include and she say ‘I decide not the agency’. I say I will call the agency and complain. Then get angry and get out of the room and take her things and 200$ I give her. Another girl come to the room and she say ‘you want to have unprotected sex with her?’ I say no, she want to have 50$ more for blowjob without condom but the agency say it is all include in the price. I say I never have unprotected sex with escorts even if escorts pay me. She get out of the room and another girl come. The other girl say ‘we ask that you live’. I say I want my money back. She calls the agency . the guy on the agency start screeming on speakerphone all the time about unprotected sex and did not want to listen to me when I tell him I don’t want unprotected sex. He say ‘I called the police and they are coming’. I say to him ‘good I was going to call police also’ and I get out of the bordello. I was downstairs waiting for the police but they never come. I decide to go to police.
I call the agency just before arriving at the police station and the receptioniste say the owner of the agency is not available to talk to me. I want to ask him to give me my money back before going inside the police station, but he was hiding.
I decide to go to inside the police on Elgin. I tell what happen in the bordello, give the agency phine number, adresse and the name of the escort who steal my money. They say they will make investigation and call me.
I don’t know if the agency and the escort are doing this trik together but the police will know if it is agency and girl who steal or only the escort. I think it is the escort only because I am a regulier with this agency and I never have problems with other girls. This is new girl with the agency, about 2 to 4 weeks.
I will stop using this agency now.

 

[Ryan1967]

Indeed horrific from both angles...On the going to the cops part...(this is probably academic in this case)...but technically the only offence related to an incall is to be "found in" one, which would not be the case here as he claims to have mosey'ed over to the Elgin st station, thus no longer "in" the incall location.

 

[katiexoxx]

To the guy who posted claiming that all he wanted was BBBJ (Boob_A) I am the girl he is telling yet another lie about. BE WARNED, THIS MAN IS A PREDATOR!!! He came to the condo, and we went into the bedroom. He asked for an hour and paid upfront, as the agency has told me is policy. We get naked, started fooling around and I had absolutely no issues giving him BBBJ. I will give BBBJ as long as the client has good hygiene and I do not charge extra for this. (I only charge extra for CIM or COF, as I understand is common practice.) Anyways- I went to get a condom to initiate intercourse, and he protested that the agency had told him that BBFS was something I would do. I did tell him that it didn't matter what the agency apparently said, that it was up to me and there was no way I would give BBFS. He then grabbed me and tried to force me on his unprotected cock and I lost it, grabbed my stuff and left the room. I am SO grateful that there were other girls working and that I was not alone to deal with this jerk. One of the girls went in the room and told him he had to leave. He protested and said all he did was try to touch my pussy, and insisted on getting his money back. Interesting how his story has changed now in his posting on this thread. I was shaking and crying and the girls called Jay to tell this guy on speakerphone that the cops were on their way and he bolted. I may be new to the agency, but I am not new to the industry and I love being touched. But I do not take chances with BBFS, what diseases does this man have that he doesn't care what I have? I'm clean that's not the issue here. The issue is that he tried to rape me and give me his possible diseases. I commend the agency for standing behind me on this, for being so supportive. The girls that work here are wonderful too, they helped soothe me and assured me I did the right thing. Looking back, I'm glad I did what I did, had I been less assertive who knows what might have happened. Pink Kitty is a wonderful agency to work for, and any SP working for them never has to worry that they will take the client's side. Many men are able to pretend to be wonderful while behind closed doors they are perverted losers. PK does everything to ensure that we are happy and safe. No SP should ever feel that they have to do something that makes them uncomfortable. Jay's exact words were "First of all, I would NEVER, and I repeat -- NEVER encourage or want girls doing BBFS. Second, you have every right to walk out the door if the client is doing something to make you uncomfortable." It is so important to protect ourselves from this kind of psycho. SHAME ON YOU!!

 

[Pink Kitty Escorts]

Not sure if you read the above posting, but he booked time with the lady, she gave him bbbj, they were naked and then he forced himself on her and had to be ejected from the condo... Do you think this guy deserved a partial refund???

I am not sure how you would think that would be appropriate.

 

[katiexoxx]

I was told after what he put me through to keep the money as I had been in there for at least twenty minutes or so fooling around with him and such. That being said, there is no amount of money that could ever justify the feeling of pure terror I felt when he tried to force me onto him.

 

[katiexoxx]

It was not intended as punishment keeping the money. It was payment for the time spent, the time booked that I could have been with another client. Should I have missed out on making that money because this guy turned out to be a total jerk? I wouldn't think that is fair.

 

[Pink Kitty Escorts]

Again, I am not sure I am reading what you are saying correctly.. In your opinion you think it would have been better for her to have given him a bbbj for free, got naked with him and then given him his money back.??. In your mind that would have been the most justified thing to do and made her feel better after having this animal borderline raping her??.. and only for the grace of that fact that we threatend him with the police and had several other witnesses to this that he left.. You would think that would be the right thing to do and make her feel better, and receiving less or no compensation.. That would almost be enough for anyone to actually quit..

No disrespect, but anyway you slice it, you are completely wrong in the way you are thinking.. I think this guy getting away with payin for her time, and getting a bbbj and not getting arrested is probably the best deal he has ever gotten.

CH do you know what happens when an escort reports these guys? they have to go through hell having to retell the story over and over again and having to relive it.. You are sadly misinformed if you think it's some kind of walk in the park for them, and then you wonder why some ladies get jaded in this industry.. You show sympathy but in the same breath think this slimeball has some kind of rights.. Sorry but the minute a guy lays a hand on these girls and forces them to do something they don't want to do, and that is dangerous on top of that, those rights go right out the window.

@PKE -Not sure, I guess different way of thinking. what was said on your side pictures a very horrible person, I am thinking that I do not want his (dirty) money no matter what. If he tried to forced himself on her (again I have to say if) then I think that a person described as such should have been reported to the police (saving the next potential victim) rather than trying to punish him by taking his $200. A person described as such in all likelihood will try it on another victim. But again that is just my view and I could be wrong in my view.

@Katie I am very sorry indeed if you had to go through any terror. You are right no amount of money can make up for that so more reasons for his (dirty) money should have been returned. Our hearts go out to you in sympathy and wish you speedy recovery.

 

[Pink Kitty Escorts]

He was blacklisted, Kicked out and she kept her money that she absolutely deserved. There was no promise made that wasn't delivered, she did give him bbbj, and he didn't pay extra.. There is very much a right and wrong in this.. Agressive clients who attack escorts in this industry are wrong. As well, anyone who supports the idea that these guys have rights are wrong.. And anyone who would give any legitimacy to this guy by entertaining anything he said is wrong. And if you think she didn't deserve to get paid after going through this ordeal.. Well CH that would make you wrong too.

If anything she deserves a hell of a lot more that 200 dollars.. she deserves everyones support, and respect. And by saying she should have given him money back is not only disrespectful.. its actually pretty offensive.

 

[Ladro]

How unfortunate that it has come to this.... To the gentleman Boob_A, it appears that you have not considered how difficult it is for these women to bare all... for your pleasure and to ask for nothing more than respect and a few dollars in return. It is really unfortunate that you are trying to make yourself look like the victim at the expense of this lady.

You need to get a life my friend.... I have had the privilege of spending some time with Katie on a few occasions and all of our meetings have been wonderful. To the point that I mentioned her to a few friends and they also have enjoyed times with her. She has been nothing but professional at every opportunity. It is probably best that you find a new establishment to frequent, one that is prepared to cater to your moral values. If anything you should thank her for standing strong in her beliefs that she was just trying to protect both of you. I look at the fact that she was worried enough for her own well being, that she chose to leave the room for fear of things getting out of control. That my friend takes alot of courage to walk away from a potential repeat client. As a matter of fact, for the traumatic pain that you caused her, you should have apologized, not only to her but also to the other women who came to her defense. They stood up for her even though they did not know what they were really dealing with. Kudos to them. It must take a big man to make a women cry. Grow up my friend and find someone else that will share your moral values. I don't want to share what you might have...