Not sure what to do. Need input please

[SubieGT]

Hey everyone, Something's been bothering me for a while now and I'm not sure what to do. Awhile ago I met with a really nice SP, in the course of our conversation, she had mentioned she had a really bad experience with a client earlier in the night, he kept asking for BBFS and tried to force it on her when she kept refusing, she said he was aggressive and really creeped her out. She was visibly upset and in tears. I told her she didn't have to take that from anyone and that she should report him to the agency. She said she told the agency she didn't want to see him again, but didn't say why for fear of coming off as a complainer. The agency told her that he was a very regular caller and that she would be missing out on a lot of $$$. That is what's bothering me, this douche bag is out there possibly treating many girls the same way, and some may be giving into his forceful demands, with him having god knows what diseases. He obviously doesn't care about the girls or himself for that matter.

My dilemma is since I know the date and time of his appointment, do I contact the agency and let them know this is what happened since the SP was too afraid, or will I get her in trouble and cost her in the long run. Personally I'd like to find out who he is and teach him a lesson about respect and conduct, but I know that won't be possible. I don't have a long standing reputation with the agency, so they may not believe either me or the SP, and if this client really is a constant repeat customer with them would they be willing to miss out on the $$$ based on only one girls' account heard second hand from me? Any input would be appreciated please. Thanks

Subie

 

[yeahyeahyeah]

This is interesting. Yesterday I discovered that there is a new bb board that exists. Go and have a look at how many fucking losers, dangerous fucking losers, populate that board, where they trade info on how to find and wear down mostly BP girls and get them to go bareback. I was absolutely horrified. It really puts into perspective the terribly dark side of this hobby, which I was not unaware of, but it still blew my mind.

I have even more sympathy for the women that do this.

 

[herelookin (pt2)]

My opinion and it may be one of the minority.

It has nothing to do with you and is between the agency and the lady. If she doesn't want to be honest with the agency why do you think she'd appreciate you being honest with agency?

 

[muskiehunter]

i don't think your involvement should extend beyond some friendly advice to her. i know those of us with morals would feel the need to get involved but that seems like a slippery slope. she has options, none of which should have involved you. only the people in the room know exactly how things went down and sometimes truth can get stretched. i'm not saying she was lying, i have no idea, but thats the point. three sides to every story. she could speak to fellow sps to see if any of them have had problems with this guy. if others have had a problem they should all speak up & the agency should drop him. if not and its just her they should not book him with her at her request. either they are concerned for her safety or not. if not then she should want to work somewhere else. don't walk, run! the fact that their response was you'll miss out on $$$ should make her want out of this agency anyways. maybe word should spread about the integrity of this agency.

 

[SubieGT]

This is why I haven't done anything. I know its a very slippery slope and I certainly don't need to put myself needlessly on it. Unfortunately my perverted need to try to save the world sometimes gets the better of me. Just burns my ass how many fucking loser douche bags there are out there, and because of them we're all painted with the same brush as to our moral character.

 

[Ryan1967]

I guess I am the first dissenter in the group...I agree it is not Subie's business...however I do feel that it is the community's business to out bad clients. The description provided is that of a bad date, it should be reported in the SP only area of cerb to warn other SP's and see if others have experienced similar experiences from this client. If the agency is not prepared to protect the girls from bad clients...then I personally would avoid the agency like...well...like gonorrhea. I know this can turn into a he said she said, and good suggestion that this girl should speak to others, especially given that this client is a regular and they can collectively go to the agency to block him. No question she should be allowed to ask the agency to not book with him...I am shocked that they responded with "you will be missing out on $$$"...that is simply classless.

 

[herelookin (pt2)]

I do feel that it is the community's business to out bad clients.

And since we're actually not doing business with clients how do we do that? By believing one-side of the story and not the other?

should be reported in the SP only area of cerb to warn other SP's

They have this opportunity.

If the agency is not prepared to protect the girls from bad clients...then I personally would avoid the agency like...

In this case she purposely avoided telling the agency what had happened... hard to protect some one when you have no idea they are in danger.

"you will be missing out on $$$"...that is simply classless.

Again she did not tell the agency... so they had no idea.

 

[Ryan1967]

Fair points...I will rephrase:

As a community I opine that we should assist in any way shape or form in the outing of alleged bad clients.

Agree that by not telling the agency why she does not want to see this client does not really give them the chance to protect her...I suppose an agency SP can choose to not see a client for a variety of reasons, but that is my point...perhaps the word protect was too strong...I will rephrase again:

If the agency is not prepared to respect the girls choice to not see a particular client...I would avoid that agency...

I do stand by their response as a bit classless...an SP, agency or indy should have an inalienable right to choose to not see anyone...the response of "you will be missing out on $$$" is pretty uncool and I would call it classless...again...in my opinion.

 

[Sgt Banger]

And how would you feel if something happened to her or another SP and you had a chance to prevent it ? This is serious shit. Report whatever information you have on him here on the board, leave her name out and the name of the agency, call the agency and pass the information along (don't worry they are not going to fire her if the agency is halfway reputable). Let the chips fall where they may. If there is another side of the story it may surface. Let the truth prevail. We need to out dangerous behaviour like this. You owe it to the SP community to do your bit to keep the community safe. If you don't its tantamount to burying your head in the sand.

 

[muskiehunter]

@ryan how could it be our responsibility to out bad clients? we have absolutely no way of knowing this beyond any doubt. as far as i know our part of this community is to share experiences with sps, good or bad.

just reread the op and see she did tell the agency but didn't say why. not that she should have to say why but if they insist on doing nothing then say it and see if their position changes. her reasons could be anything - aggressive client, bad hygene, cock to big (if i only got a dime), no chemistry, whatever her reason is they should not book him with her or she should get the fuck out.

 

[SubieGT]

I have no name only date and time of his appointment, all other info would have to be gotten through the agency.

Again this is one side of a story, told to me. It could be a lie trying to pull a better tip out of my pocket, it could be the truth. I'm not prepared to go traipsing into the agency's office and demand information on one of their clients. I don't consider myself to be a moral crusader either. Is there idiots out there? Yup. And I can't do much about them.

 

[Ryan1967]

@ryan how could it be our responsibility to out bad clients? we have absolutely no way of knowing this beyond any doubt. as far as i know our part of this community is to share experiences with sps, good or bad....

I see it as our collective responsibility to keep this hobby safe and enjoyable for all...We help keep it safe for hobbiests by sharing potentially dangerous providers and I feel we should help keep it safe for the providers by helping to out alleged bad dates. There was recently a story in the Ottawa news about the "bus groper" and what shocked me was the inaction of the people around when they clearly saw what was happening. Society's reaction is generally to do nothing and say "glad this is not happening to me". Now I know we only have one side of the story...but a bad client is serious shit...as the Sargeant eloquently put it, and whatever measures can be taken should be taken to help out...If that means advising the SP to talk to other SP's at the agency and posting on the SP only area then that is what I feel we, as a community, should do.

 

[muskiehunter]

@sgt i agree this is serious shit. i don't see how we can prevent anything by relaying heresay information. i think that part of the community is best left up to the sps. even then a guy can get an undeserved bad rap just as sometimes the ladies do from us. who knows for sure what the motivation was behind it. there is no perfect solution but lets stick with sticking our cocks in places they maybe shouldn't be not our noses.

@ryan bus groper not really a good comparison. this was people standing by watching and yes somebody should have done something. subie says he has no name only date and time. so what do we say here - HEY whoever was with xxx (no sp name) on 3/20/13 @ 745pm stop that shit cause you're making the rest of us look bad. who does that protect? and again i don't think its his responsibility to tell the agency, this needs to come from the girl to have any validity or the agency might just blow him off as a jealous client. then maybe his plan backfires and he is blacklisted.

 

[Ryan1967]

...@ryan bus groper not really a good comparison...

The bus groper was meant to illustrate that society tends to want to "not get involved" even when the offence is clearly happening. I agree that the girl is right person to take action on this one...in the ways I think we all agreed on. But I think Subie could also inform the agency in an "btw...this is something you might want to look into" kind of way...given the gravitas of the alleged offence.

 

[too2shy]

Can someone pm me the name of this board. Would like to know what to avoid.

 

[muskiehunter]

@ch i`m not sure if you`re saying just the lady report it to the agency or if the op should as well. if you mean just the lady i agree.

there is a sticky at the top of this forum https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?348005-Bad-client-in-Ottawa-area maybe op should try to get her to become a member (if shes not already) and go this route with the mod to warn the other ladies

 

[Pink Kitty Escorts]

As an owner of an Agency, if I have a client that is harrasing ladies for bbfs I will put the boots to him.. That's it thats all. But it is absolutely essential that the lady would share that info with us. We do have some regular clients that are not the most polite, or even arrogant guys that we have had to put in check. But if this was our agency ( and nobody is saying who it is in this thread) Please PM and let me know more info. This is absolutely very very important for us. We get texts all the time for guys asking for BBFS and if any girls did.. My usual answer to these guys is "no, but obviously your mom does".. That usually gets the message across.

This is not the lady's fault and it is the agency's duty to block, ban and blacklist guys like this.. So if this is in anyway related to us, please feel free to come forward and it will remain between us in a PM format.

Thanks

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

For clarity, the SP section is NOT AVAILABLE for agencies or agency represented SPs so she really doesn't have anywhere but terb to post the information.

As for her not giving her reason to the agency, she probably was accurate in her perception that it would annoy the management, they don't want to hear negative information about "money" clients. No reflection on you Jason, I've never heard that about PK but many agencies side with the clients in circumstances like this. If she is new or has low self esteem (as so many providers do) she will not be in a position to communicate what happened to her. I don't think it was a hustle for a bigger tip.

If I were behind the desk, I would want to know and I wouldn't care who it was coming from. If the OP lets the agency know, they can then go and find out from the provider what happened, offer support and give the client a warning. Guys don't always act the same with every girl. Some are selective predators that can read a girl who is unsure of herself and try to take advantage of the situation. I have several guests who have been blacklisted by others but they always behave when they see me. The fact that I have no fear and don't put up with nonsense seems to eliminate the "can I get away with it" instinct. IMO, go ahead and give them a heads up, they can't fix it if they don't know what the issue is. I would be interested in how they chose to handle it...

cat

 

[yeahyeahyeah]

Can someone pm me the name of this board. Would like to know what to avoid.

I won't post it as it will get deleted, however it's fairly easy to find using some basic keywords in Google. Many of us know there was another bb board that got shut down or morphed into something else, but this one is pure evil. It's worth a look for everyone on this board to reconsider what risks you are taking in hobbying, and the enormous risks that girls who go bareback are taking.

If you go to Thailand, there's a website that lists all the indies and club chicks in Nana who offer bb. Now bb is rampant in Bangkok, and the site is not cross verified, AND it's almost impossible to police and it's open to incredible abuse, but something like this should be available in some form another. The bad client website is basically useless, and directed towards sp's.

It's really complicated and probably impossible to maintain a current list that isn't littered with abuse and smear tactics and whatever else, but it will probably come in some form or another in the coming months or years.

 

[Anynym]

I would encourage any lady to report such aggressive behaviour to the agency, and where appropriate to law enforcement as well, as difficult as that may be for many. If she would like, there are support groups in town who can help any girl with those sorts of reports, and to better recognize unacceptable behaviour. (Unfortunately, I don't have any links offhand - I'll try to remember to look them up, or someone else can post?)

It's not up to others to report "hear-say" to The Authorities, but it is useful to hear that such unacceptable behaviour is still going on, so that we can all be more aware, and that any lurkers can see that such behaviour is NOT acceptable from anyone.