No Votes For Long-term Non-residents

[red]

Another grade A moron
History lesson for you:
The "right to vote" never existed before 1982
So by your logic of a vet who lived in Canada for 65 years and fought in any war then left Canada would never have had that right

While waiting for you to return I was reading elections canada website. According to them women won the right to vote in federal elections in 1918. An 1898 law made provinces responsible for voting lists but prevented the provinces from interfering with a citizens right to vote. That's weird - both of these appear to be before 1982.

Now before 1884 the right to vote was limited to property owners. But it certainly seems like my veteran example had the right to vote.

 

[TeeJay]

Have I called you names? Can you be civil?

The right to vote never existed before 1982? How did I vote before then? Or other Canadian citizens?

It was not a RIGHT before 1982
That is why many Canadians were denied votes before then

 

[red]

It was not a RIGHT before 1982
That is why many Canadians were denied votes before then

Please provide support for that statement-. The elections canada website seems to disagree as I noted above

 

[fuji]

You do realize that expats that decide to exercise their voting right are way more in tune with Canadian current affairs than the regular Joe Schmoe who lives here, right?

I agree. Of the million expats out there it seems that only 6000 actually voted. Given all the extra effort required to vote I bet those 6000 were very well informed voters.

 

[John Henry]

You do realize that expats that decide to exercise their voting right are way more in tune with Canadian current affairs than the regular Joe Schmoe who lives here, right?

Really . Any proof of that . Then again the regular Joe Schmoes did vote the Liberals back in power with a majority government in Ontario so maybe you have something there .

 

[johnhenrygalt]

It was not a RIGHT before 1982
That is why many Canadians were denied votes before then

Complete and utter nonsense. The right to vote predates confederation.

 

[geeky]

For what its worth, British citizens lose their vote in UK and EU elections if they have not had residency in the UK for 15 years. So Canada's new law really isn't much different, other than the time frame.

I think that 5 years is a bit on the short side, but conceptually, i am leaning towards actually agreeing with this bill. If you no longer have residence in a country for a long period of time, you should not have the same vote that a resident citizen does. You should, however get the right to vote back immediately upon returning.

The taxation issue is, to me, an invalid argument. If i go to the united states on a contract and earn income there, I am taxed on it by the IRS. In that situation i would be neither a resident nor a citizen, but the income was derived from there, so it is fair. Similarly, if I am an expat living abroad and claiming Canadian pension, the CRA absolutely has the right to tax the appropriate amount from that Canada-based income source. This would apply to me as a Canadian living abroad, or to my (fictional) neighbour, a long term resident that paid into CPP and never got their citizenship, but then moved away from Canada.

 

[oldjones]

How long does these rules apply? 5 years, 10 years, etc. Some students remain students into their 30's.

They apply to all students living away from their riding of residence. Are you suggesting 'students' deserve special privileges the rest of us shouldn't be entitled to? Or that they should be deprived of their vote because they reside away from their riding? Or that such non-resident mechanisms should be restricted by age? Or applied only for a four year pass BA, but not an Honours or post-grad degree. When they vote, students are required to pick either the riding they originally resided in and intend to return to, or declare they now reside where they presently live and attend school.

My point following on red's was simply that we have the mechanisms, and they work for various non-resident situations. So where's the justice in this proposal? Doesn't matter if you still pay Canadian taxes, has nothing to do with your interest, knowledge and involvement in Canada and its politics, just an arbitrary number of days spent on Canadian soil, with the burden of proof on you the citizen.

 

[SkyRider]

They apply to students living away from the riding of residence. Are you suggesting 'students' deserve special privileges the rest of us shouldn't be entitled to? Or that they should be deprived of their vote because they reside away from their riding? Or that such non-resident mechanisms should be restricted by age? My point following on red's was simply that we have the mechanisms, and they work for various non-resident situations.

So where's the justice in this proposal?

The question of intra-country students was a big issue during Quebec referendums and the recent Quebec election. The hard core separatists said that out of province students had no voting rights in Quebec. (I attended university in Montreal and actually stayed there for 10 more years after graduation. Don;t think I ever voted because too busy doing silly things that young males do in Montreal.)

Anyways, back to our non-resident friends. This will sound harsh but I do not want some hyphenated Canadian living in Iran to have a vote on who should be my Prime Minister.

 

[Serpent]

It still doesn't give a person the right to say, "Well if I'm getting taxed, I want to be able to decide who governs Canada!"...even though you are completely unaffected by the laws of nation.

Your thinking is pretty myopic. Even if we limit the discussion to pensions and taxation, "laws of nation" INCLUDE laws around pensions and taxation. So if I cannot vote against the new PM who will increase the tax on my pension, impacting my life outside of Canada, well.....that's taxation without representation.

I don't know how this shit flies in Canada.......such petty thinking by people here (not directed to the poster I'm replying to but in general). I wish Canadians had the imagination to get past petty, small things and think BIG!

 

[TeeJay]

Complete and utter nonsense. The right to vote predates confederation.

A few of you keep claiming it to be untrue yet none of you can point to the act/law/bill etc that would back up such a claim
There are tons of examples of Canadian citizens denied right to vote throughout the decades for all kinds of reasons, everything from being a jap to a commie

 

[fuji]

A few of you keep claiming it to be untrue yet none of you can point to the act/law/bill etc that would back up such a claim
There are tons of examples of Canadian citizens denied right to vote throughout the decades for all kinds of reasons, everything from being a jap to a commie

Voting in Canada predates the arrival of Europeans. The Six Nations Confederacy had near universal suffrage to approve treaties -- approving a treaty required 75% of males and 75% of mothers to support it. Other than treaty operations the Confederacy didn't function much like a government, though.

 

[anon1]

this affects white people too?

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/donald-sutherland-blasts-ruling-long-183607768.html

 

[trod]

Absolutely irrelevant in this argument. OHIP is a health insurance plan backed by the government. When you are no longer paying premiums in to the plan (identical to private insurance plans) then you are no longer eligible to the benefits.

It is relevant.

Like you said, if you are no longer paying in to the plan, then you are not eligible. That is just one way of losing OHIP.

If you are paying premiums but are absent from the province for 6+ months, you loose OHIP. You need to make the province a primary residence. Sound familiar?

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/publications/ohip/ohip_eligibility.aspx