What happens if we don't reach the required vaccination quotas to go to the next stage. And we cannot reach it because of anti-vaxers.. No stage three, no theaters, no baseball games, no CNE, no indoor dinning,, no this no that... because someone sez no, its against my rights.. Course I guess if enough died off we make the quota but..
No stage 3...
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If anyone wants to travel they will have no choice as more and more countries will jump on to only wanting vaccinated folks.
fortune.com
Europe moves closer to adopting COVID vaccine passports. Here's who would qualify | Fortune
The European Union expects to introduce by July a new system to facilitate quarantine-free travel within its borders.
I have concerns for stage 3. There is no reference to COVID rate of new infections. We could have zero new reports of infections but because the second dose has not reached 25% - businesses continue to lose money.
6% of fully vaccinated hasn't changed much since April when they decided to focus only on first doses. I got my fist dose early April and my second dose is July 31. If they are only effectively starting the second dose in August, it may be mid September before life returns to normal and those business that haven't gone bankrupt may open. The prospect of another lost summer sucks.
Why?
They would simply fake the numbers
Its not like anything legit has been since Day 1 of this scamdemic
We're ahead of the USA in percentage of population vaccinated with at least one dose.
Yet, i assume, we are behind the USA in our economy being open. Due to authorities in Canada taking a more conservative approach while Canada experiences a higher weekly infection & death rate than our southern neighbours?
Outdoor capacity has nothing to do with it
See how many other outdoor places were packed this weekend?
I was rather amused to see hundreds lining up at places like St Jacobs for apple fritters
Stay Home Order be dammed lol
Hey, people have to eat, right, lol. Even if it's junk food they choose.
Stay home orders don't mean you have to starve to death & can't go out for food.
But, hopefully they were wearing masks & social distancing. So what's the problem?
Many studies showed 70-80% effectiveness >14 days after 1st dose.
And the stage 3 reopening is based on vaccination rate - not on when the vaccines are effective.
All the numbers are as legit as it can get.
The vaccination numbers also cannot be made up as every single dose distributed and administered for the whole province of Ontario is tracked by one single software.
My concern is not related to the vaccine effectiveness - it is related to how long it would take to get second dose to hit 25% if they start second dose Pfizer and Moderna in August. In July we could cap herd immunity and the daily rate could negligible yet we are still waiting for second dose levels to hit (25%) Step 3. I would prefer something - 5 days under 100 or .5% positivity rate as a Step 3 an additional guideline.
The biggest and most legit concern is how long is vaccine actually effective for
We know natural immunity (recovered from Covid) is less than a year in older patients (that 89 year old who died in Nov/Dec was 1st)
How long will vaccine last?
This is a good point. I think they are focusing on vaccine uptake as an incentive but not taking community transmission into account is stupid
