And I am quite confident that their fit for duty policies already address that, and have for decades.
This adds to their fit for duty policies, conservatively, but appropriately.
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This adds to their fit for duty policies, conservatively, but appropriately.
Their fit for duty policy specifies how much sleep they need to get before they work the next day?
Are you saying that they don't?Their fit for duty policy specifies how much sleep they need to get before they work the next day?
Does this sound familiar: "Haven't a clue, nor do I profess to."
Tell us... how much sleep is enough sleep to get before going to work for you to feel comfortable in a person's abilities?
I'm not saying they don't. I'm saying I don't know. You're the one who said "I am quite confident that their fit for duty policies already address that, and have for decades."
If you read my reply, it ends with this a "?". That means it's a question. As in, do you have proof their duty policies already address the amount of sleep required prior to working? Or is it just a guess?
I can function just fine on a couple hours sleep. But this isn't about me.
But you did say that you were more worried about a tired person than someone who smokes pot.
So, what level of 'tired' is unacceptable to you?
Quantify it.
It doesn't matter what level of tiredness is acceptable to me. I was simply stating my opinion on the topic. Which is Marijuana use by Metrolinx employees in safety sensitive positions. I said I'd be more worried about a drowsy driver from a lack of sleep the night before, than someone who smoked a joint on a Friday then goes to work well rested the following Monday.
The amount of sleep one requires varies from person to person. That makes it next to impossible to quantify. I would say enough sleep is an amount one gets so they're not nodding off or falling asleep on the job.
In the event of an accident investigation tiredness would be difficult to prove unless there were witnesses to what someone was doing prior to a work shift.
I agree that someone who is excessively tired vs. someone who smoked a joint a few days prior is really no comparison. Trouble is, if it went to court the traces of marijuana would show in their system.
The new law is certainly going to present some interesting court challenges in the coming days. A lot of precedents will be set.
Yes exactly and this is why many of us are not comfortable with whats going on with the metrolix because it will spill to other sectors. Regarding driving all it will take is one freak accident to ruin it for everyone and then where does that leave us. No pot if we want to drive? How about work? In many work sites you can find safety concerns where they could claim pot would make you more vulnerable to cause a safety risk for others. Question is how far will this spill and under what limit?
If it affects my family and me I have a very broad definition of "safety sensitive". It includes the mechanic who works on my car to my dentist and his assistant and to my kidney transplant surgeon and his/her team (if ever needed).
What happens if someone is involved in an automobile accident and they demand that the police check for marijuana per the at fault party. If it is in their system (since it can stay for a long period of time), this opens up another set of concerns.
Trains are equipped with all kinds of safety protocols to prevent drivers from nodding off. The so called "dead man stick". If a driver falls asleep, the railway can often times find that out.
1. Trains have on board computers that require the driver to do something, anything, in a given period of time (say 30 seconds). So every 30 seconds, the driver must make a throttle adjustment, or a brake adjustment, or acknowledge a request. Something, orelse the locomotive will power down. It's pretty hard to nod off and get away with it. (This is the modern equivalent of the "deadman" which used to be a lever that the guy had to hold orelse the train would come to a stop. Problem was guys just propping the lever with a tool box and the whole fail-safe protocol was defeated.)
2. There are cameras all over the trains, including the cabs, cars, and the back end where the conductor will sit to control the train when it's going westbound, etc. If the system alarmed because the driver was not making commands, the camera would catch him nodding off.
3. Like a plane, a train has black boxes and it would record all relevant data, including conversations in the locomotive. (Like when that VIA train derailed in Burlington 10 years ago or so)
4. Rail Traffic control will know immediately if a train does something in contravention to its authority - like blow through a red light.
You think it's just Metrolinx?
LOL.
It's already in all sorts of occupations, including industrial, mining, police, air traffic controllers.
As previously stated, you are free to smoke dope all you want. But an employer is free to say you can't work for me.
Toronto Police Policy
Air Canada Pilots
Nav Canada (Air Traffic Controllers, I'll make it easy for you, read page 22.)
How bout CN Rail....
I could go on and on and on, but it's getting boring.
All legal pot means is that you are free to buy and smoke dope within the confines of the legislation. It's not an OK for one to use it under all circumstances.
