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No French's Ketchup, No Loblaws

GameBoy27

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It's about more than ketchup.

It's about the fact that Canadians and Ontarians in particular are sick and tired of seeing factories and Mills shut down and hard working people thrown out of work for no reason other than pure unadulterated greed. How many plants have been shut down figuring that they will simply service the Canadian market from US plants , or worse, China. It seems like an every day occurance. Hard to fight an industry like US steel for example when they closed Stelco in Hamilton and just serviced all of Stelco's contracts out of the US.

Now you have heinz who for as long as anyone can remember was making Ketchup in Lemington. Then some bean counter figures they will save 2 cents a bottle if they close down the Canadian operation and just supply the Canadian market from US plants and we will just keep buying Heinz out of brand loyalty.

It wa disgusting.

So when Canadians found there was a Canadian alternative, it caught on like wildfire.

Support local.

Makes me proud.
Companies must remain profitable and answer to shareholders. When production costs go up, sometimes it leaves them no option but to move operations.

With soaring hydro rates, increases to minimum wage and WSIB and taxes in Ontario, can you really blame companies for going south of the border?

http://windsorstar.com/business/local-business/soaring-hydro-costs-could-force-businesses-to-flee-ontario-chamber-warns
 

Titalian

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Ketchup is evil.

Last time I used it, I was probably 11 years of age.
I agree with Don, that shit along with other popular sauces ie Diana sauce are
filled with fructose. Read up on this poison !! I keep posting this but no-ones listening

 

Titalian

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Here's a survey from The Fifth Estate. Ask yourself the question, when cooking from scratch do you add this amount of sugar in your recipe ???? Of course not.
When I make my tomato sauce, there is no sugar what so ever but maybe half a glass of red wine. Read the ingredients, It has to be there by law!
The funny thing about all this, is that nothing tastes better, than a meal made from scratch. My daughter luvs the so called Kraft Dinner macaroni and cheese {Btw what is that powdered cheese??).
So I decided to made her one from scratch and used cheddar cheese and I crisped the surface. The first words after tasting it was WOW. Keep in mind no sugar.
Conclusion, we have become a very lazy society.
 

james t kirk

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Companies must remain profitable and answer to shareholders. When production costs go up, sometimes it leaves them no option but to move operations.

With soaring hydro rates, increases to minimum wage and WSIB and taxes in Ontario, can you really blame companies for going south of the border?

http://windsorstar.com/business/local-business/soaring-hydro-costs-could-force-businesses-to-flee-ontario-chamber-warns
How much is enough?

How much profit is enough? At what cost?

Hydro rates in the province are a concern, I admit. I believe Ontario has some of the highest in the country. I don't know why to tell you the truth. Is it because we are that inefficient? That greedy?, do other provinces subsidize hydro rates?

Typically though, factories don't pay minimum wage.

Business taxes in Ontario are some of the lowest in North America.

Companies can choose to off-shore their manufacturing. But I can choose to support those with my wallet that choose not to off-shore and keep production in Canada. A simple thing like altering my ketchup purchase from Heinz to French's is a case in point.
 

Titalian

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Your point being...?
Fast and unhealthy foods. Nobody cooks from scratch any more, and really, it doesn't take much effort.
Most of us have lost this, to corporations. Look around you, all these quick fix meals are bad for you especially
if your a child.
 

oldjones

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Companies must remain profitable and answer to shareholders. When production costs go up, sometimes it leaves them no option but to move operations.

With soaring hydro rates, increases to minimum wage and WSIB and taxes in Ontario, can you really blame companies for going south of the border?

http://windsorstar.com/business/local-business/soaring-hydro-costs-could-force-businesses-to-flee-ontario-chamber-warns
Presumably no one moved their operation to pay higher costs, but French's seems to think it can achieve higher sales buy touting its Canadian content. In fact, according to this morning's account in the Star, their ketchup is made in the US, just like Heinz and PC™. All they're promising us is that the tomatoes were grown and turned into paste in Leamington.

The plant there is now owned by Canadians, mostly former workers and managers, who bought it from Heinz when they abandoned ship. So far they say they're making money — partly by paying less than Heinz did — and are expanding. But they only make the paste here and sell it to whomever. Which might very well be Heinz or PC™, as long as their money's good.

So as John Henry and jamestkirk pointed out, it's all about the workers and farmers selling the raw materials and doing the minimal first processing, not patriotism. Kinda like the lumberjacks, roughnecks and miners, we're still not making the stuff, just hauling the resources to the depot where they're shipped away. If you grow tomatoes or make the paste, having the plant stay open is a good thing, and if buying French's helps that's good too. We can even wink at calling it 'Canadian' when it's made in the US.

But if you care about Canadian economic well-being the real story is in that new ownership and its plans, and whether it can succeed in doing more than shipping the mashed tomatoes to plants where even lower-paid workers make the actual product we buy after it's shipped back. When they actually make the end-product in Leamington, that'll be progress, because the real money that grows economies is higher up the food chain.

However, for those who can call heavily sweetened tomato sauce progress, we've made some already.
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PS: Just noticed this is my 17,001th post. About ketchup! Damn that jones! I'm going cold turkey. I've had fun and you guys and girls have been great and taught me much and I will miss you.

But, so long.
 

lomotil

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Presumably no one moved their operation to pay higher costs, but French's seems to think it can achieve higher sales buy touting its Canadian content. In fact, according to this morning's account in the Star, their ketchup is made in the US, just like Heinz and PC™. All they're promising us is that the tomatoes were grown and turned into paste in Leamington.

The plant there is now owned by Canadians, mostly former workers and managers, who bought it from Heinz when they abandoned ship. So far they say they're making money — partly by paying less than Heinz did — and are expanding. But they only make the paste here and sell it to whomever. Which might very well be Heinz or PC™, as long as their money's good.

So as John Henry and jamestkirk pointed out, it's all about the workers and farmers selling the raw materials and doing the minimal first processing, not patriotism. Kinda like the lumberjacks, roughnecks and miners, we're still not making the stuff, just hauling the resources to the depot where they're shipped away. If you grow tomatoes or make the paste, having the plant stay open is a good thing, and if buying French's helps that's good too. We can even wink at calling it 'Canadian' when it's made in the US.

But if you care about Canadian economic well-being the real story is in that new ownership and its plans, and whether it can succeed in doing more than shipping the mashed tomatoes to plants where even lower-paid workers make the actual product we buy after it's shipped back. When they actually make the end-product in Leamington, that'll be progress, because the real money that grows economies is higher up the food chain.

However, for those who can call heavily sweetened tomato sauce progress, we've made some already.
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PS: Just noticed this is my 17,001th post. About ketchup! Damn that jones! I'm going cold turkey. I've had fun and you guys and girls have been great and taught me much and I will miss you.

But, so long.
Adieu, your savy posts will be missed!
 

notthemama

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PS: Just noticed this is my 17,001th post. About ketchup! Damn that jones! I'm going cold turkey. I've had fun and you guys and girls have been great and taught me much and I will miss you.

But, so long.
17001? You're a junkie. You will be back!
Unless there's something you're not telling us?
You are old.:Eek:
 

Don Draper

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Say it ain't so, Jones...

PS: Just noticed this is my 17,001th post. About ketchup! Damn that jones! I'm going cold turkey. I've had fun and you guys and girls have been great and taught me much and I will miss you.

But, so long.
...say it ain't so!!

 

bolt.upright

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So close and yet so far.
I saw French's yesterday at Walmart and I bought one. I didn't even need ketchup, but I guess all the publicity worked. Oh well, barbecue season is coming--I'll post my review in a few months, once all the Heinz is gone.
 
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