NHL Trades and what should the Leafs do?

[n_v]

Re: Re: Re: Forget the leafs.

... it seems Pat Quinn would prefer the Leafs not make any moves that would send any young players the other way in any deal.

Every years the Leafs have an excuse (not reason) that conveniently suits them at that particular time. Never do they grab the bull by the horns and make a serious, honest commitment to a championship in the post expansion era. Just window dressing enough to dupe the people into thinking 'maybe', allowing them to hike tickets prices, sell more merchadise and renegoiate TV contracts. For Pete' sake its been 14 yrs since the old fart kicked the bucket!!!!!!!!!

It comes down to injuries and goaltending. Up to now, the Leafs have been at or near the top. If they can avoid any more injuries, you never know, with their current roster they have as good a chance as Ottawa, Philly, NJ or TB. It would be nice to add some talent on the blueline, but if Belfour is healthy (?) and stays that way, good things can happen.

You're dreaming. And exactly what MLSE is looking for - fans with their blinders on cheering for the team as Cup contenders no matter what the lineup is!! As long as the fans 'think' the Leafs can win then it washes away any responsibility from the handlers of MLSE.

 

[pin01]

All this talk 'they should do this , they should do that" meanwhile teams like the hated Red Wings pick up Robert Lang ,who only gets 3 assists out of 4 goals. As long as people pay to watch why change !?! Boycott MLSE.

 

[n_v]

All this talk 'they should do this , they should do that" meanwhile teams like the hated Red Wings pick up Robert Lang ,who only gets 3 assists out of 4 goals. As long as people pay to watch why change !?! Boycott MLSE.

Couldn't have said it better. And exactly what I have done!!

Go Sens Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jim Rome]

Toronto's been slipping in the standings but Quinn is very gun shy which is why the Leafs are on the sidelines now in terms of Gonchar. Last year before the trade deadline the Leafs gave away three young players, McAuley, Boyes and a first round pick for Owen - and look where it got them, a good player for sure but knocked out of the first round by Philly ! Can you blame the guy ?? Tick, tick, tick ...

 

[shredder]

If the Flyers, Sens and Avs want to blow their brains out on Gonchar let them. I can believe what Washignton is expecting in return for him based on the fact that they've basically given away everyone else. There is a point where Gonchar is too expensive and I think from the Leafs perspective they've past it.

 

[n_v]

The Leafs have passed everything by.

 

[doubledown]

It seems that the environment around the Leafs is not conducive to a favourable trade. They're owned by a pension fund whose job it is to make money, run by a rookie GM who other GMs will try to take advantge of, in a high profile hockey market that other teams will not want to be ridiculed in with a bad trade, and in a market where the media is on them to make a big trade. Also, the ACC is always sold out so they don't need to sell seats. What's left?
The other bad news is that the teachers' fund is hurting and may need to increase the current contributions from both the teachers and the gov't.

 

[pistol]

leafs

Shredder I support your idea of building for the future, BUT!
the Leafs have basically put all their eggs into this season's basket. They have an older team. Relatively few NHL ready prospects. a poor, no a dreadful record of developing players and a coach who thinks anyone under 32 is too immature to play regularly.
If there is a prolonged work stoppage (count on it), the Leafs will be hurt as bad or worse than any club in the league. 37 years and counting since the last Stanley cup win. A fanatical fan base. A media that is demandingly mettlesome.
When the gun is pointed at Ferguson's head count on something being done and what youth they have being sacrificed.

 

[shredder]

I believe there is a good price for everything...any more and you're taking a risk. That said, I don't think the Teacher's Pension Plan should be the easy place for people to lay blame. They too would see a health return if the Leafs won the cup. However, they tend to make rational decissions, not that they have any direct say in who gets traded or not, and understand the market value of an asset. Other than a case where Ferguson would have to go to the Board (for which they do not control) for an incrase in the budget Teachers have no influence over the day to day ops of the team.

I don't think Ferguson is too green and he's got Quinn there to back him up...but do you make a deal for the sake of the deal or knowing that everyone of your trading partners knows the pressure you're under and is looking to take advantage of you? I say no and wait for a good deal to come along.

 

[n_v]

.... I say no and wait for a good deal to come along.

Yeah, that's a great idea .. let's wait another 37 years. Don't want the Leafs to look trigger happy now do we?!!

 

[shredder]

at this point i just think that based on the Cup finals the last few years, the Leafs are as well off as anyone to come out of the East if they play well at the right time. Did anyone expect Carolina, Anahiem or Minnesotta in the west last year.

Detroit lost in the first round last year and they had arguably the best team...Colorado in the second round. Who know, as things stand right now, Tampa Bay might be the sleeper from the East and I'd argue that Toronto has a much better team than they do and yet they are first in the conference.

 

[n_v]

... as things stand right now, Tampa Bay might be the sleeper from the East and I'd argue that Toronto has a much better team than they do and yet they are first in the conference.

shredder I suggest you check the standings again. Toronto is not only behind Ottawa and Philly in the Conference, but also the Bolts.

http://nhl.com/onthefly/standings/conf_stand.html

 

[shredder]

Sorry, that didn't come out right...I know Tampa is in first and i would say the leafs are stronger than they are.

That's why I don't think you can guarentee anything by blowing your brains out for the trade deadline. Look what happened last year, Quinn looked pretty shrewd but Gilmour, Wessley and Nolan go down and your out pretty quick.

The Rangers are proof...you can't buy a championship.

 

[SirLickheralot]

The reason why Toronto can't win is because the owners are too cheap???????????????????????????

What are you guys talking about, Toronto's payroll is amongst the highest in the league. Your team's owners seem pretty generous with their checkbooks compared with most teams in the league. Last year New Jersey had a similar payroll to Toronto and they won the cup. If a willingness to throw around unlimited amounts of money would bring the Stanley Cup the New York Rangers would win every year.

If you ask me Toronto is too free with their spending. Instead of taking time the time and effort to build a decent team with good trades, good draft picks, and a good farm system they just wait till the trade deadline and attempt to buy the cup with a bunch of expensive mercenaries.

 

[scubadoo]

Ever since Tampa traded for D Darryl Sydor at the end of January they have won 12 of the last 15 games and got an impressive 27 out of 30 points.

The right trade can have an impact. I still think the Leafs will go after and probably get Brian Leetch. The defence corp is what needs some help.

 

[kwong_1978]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Forget the leafs.

Every years the Leafs have an excuse (not reason) that conveniently suits them at that particular time. Never do they grab the bull by the horns and make a serious, honest commitment to a championship in the post expansion era. Just window dressing enough to dupe the people into thinking 'maybe', allowing them to hike tickets prices, sell more merchadise and renegoiate TV contracts. For Pete' sake its been 14 yrs since the old fart kicked the bucket!!!!!!!!!

You're dreaming. And exactly what MLSE is looking for - fans with their blinders on cheering for the team as Cup contenders no matter what the lineup is!! As long as the fans 'think' the Leafs can win then it washes away any responsibility from the handlers of MLSE.

Exactly, plus they can afford to hike ticket prices as much as they want cause most of their season ticket holders are coporate companies who just expense them anyways. Average Joe have to take out a mortage. Trust me, it will get worse before it gets better. The Raptors are bleeding MLSE & that has to be taken in account.