NFT’s (Non Fungible Tokens) as Art. You in?

[Valcazar]

I admit that the band wagon is NFT as you say but as designed and still can be used they are IN the art itself. The art becomes a piece of crypto of itself. To copy it says the copy is the fake number 2 etc etc. only 01 is the Real one. Is it used by most this way? No but it is done and CAN be done. There are other benefits too - the art careers a record of proper owners as well. If someone uses your art all copies are informed of the illegal copy, instant detection of unauthorized coping.
The theory would be that like DVDs eventually only art as NFTs would be legal at all - google for example would auto delete all none NFT images from its search - a form of DRM.

Thus:
NFTs fulfil an authenticating function for a small fraction of digital art—digital images that “live” and circulate on the network. This ironically led to the now-common practice of artists and gallerists minting NFTs for stills or brief clips from more complex, often generative and interactive digital artworks that are available for lower prices than the excerpted images being offered as NFTs. Whether digital images benefit from the immutability provided by NFT authentication is yet another question. In his essay “The Work of Art in the Age of Digital Reproduction (An Evolving Thesis 1991-95)”, Douglas Davis makes a case for the originality of the moment when we copy and revise digital images whose power often resides in the possibility of remix and free circulation.

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The Work of Art in the Age of Digital Reproduction

In this article, originally published in the MIT Press Journal Leonardo in 1995, Douglas Davis argues, "there is no longer a clear conceptual distinction between original and reproduction in virtually any medium."

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I'll read the piece. Don't have time right now.
I don't see how your version would work or why it would need an NFT or blockchain to do it, but sure, I'll read the argument.

Is the piece you are taking these quotes from the piece linked to or is the piece linked to "The Work of Art in the Age of Digital Reproduction" which was apparently written in 1995 and obviously doesn't discuss NFTs?

 

[escortsxxx]

I'll read the piece. Don't have time right now.
I don't see how your version would work or why it would need an NFT or blockchain to do it, but sure, I'll read the argument.

Is the piece you are taking these quotes from the piece linked to or is the piece linked to "The Work of Art in the Age of Digital Reproduction" which was apparently written in 1995 and obviously doesn't discuss NFTs?

The ling here is what your looking for -as you say NFT as sales are one thing - but NFT as medium itself - that is part of the art - is another. NFT's as a medium still have the energy issues to deal with - which are less if people are not mining for it. Its possible to have crypto with no mining whatever - you could just have an automatic fixed interest. If you have 100 fiat one year later they have a baby of 1 crypto for example. You do need a generation system otherwise you get the breton woods gold standard problem of running out of gold. The current invention is a dead end making Art NFTs as is not possible long term.

NFT art—a sales mechanism or a medium?

The boom in non-fungible tokens is diminishing public understanding of what digital art actually is

www.theartnewspaper.com

 

[glamphotographer]

Been a huge scam all along.

 

[Insidious Von]

The greatest President in the history of Mankind was selling NFTs to his flock, they must be worth gold.

Anastasia Huppmann was selling musical NFTs, she has since gone cold on the idea. Seemed like a waste of time, as a patronato, I already have access to her complete recordings.

Unfortunately I don't have the artist.

Besides I do the opposite of anything Kevin O'Leary pushes.

 

[y2kmark]

Been a huge scam all along.

So if you produced an NFT using a work by Rothko it would be a scam within a scam?...

 

[glamphotographer]

So if you produced an NFT using a work by Rothko it would be a scam within a scam?...

I don't get your drift.

 

[SchlongConery]

With apologies to jcpro... but... ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Just listen to Rayvanna's laugh! It's the "be best' laugh I've ever heard!

 

[DiscreetRocker]

It's been touched on before but it's important to note the difference between:
1) the image of an NFT that everyone can download and copy and
2) the NFT itself - the uncopyable digital token that defines ownership.

I'm not interested in NFT artwork at all. Seems like a fad.
I am very interested in NFTs to track ownership of rare artwork, property, copyrights, etc.
Collectors already obtain certificates of authenticity for rare and valuable items. An NFT is just a digital version of that same concept, except it's impossible to duplicate and unlikely to be destroyed, assuming that particular blockchain survives as long as you and your property do.

 

[Valcazar]

It's been touched on before but it's important to note the difference between:
1) the image of an NFT that everyone can download and copy and
2) the NFT itself - the uncopyable digital token that defines ownership.

I'm not interested in NFT artwork at all. Seems like a fad.
I am very interested in NFTs to track ownership of rare artwork, property, copyrights, etc.
Collectors already obtain certificates of authenticity for rare and valuable items. An NFT is just a digital version of that same concept, except it's impossible to duplicate and unlikely to be destroyed, assuming that particular blockchain survives as long as you and your property do.

Sure but I don't think it adds much value over the current system.
Using blockchain to make a less efficient ledger doesn't seem very useful.

 

[DiscreetRocker]

That's fair. In my opinion, it'll only really add value if it gets mass adoption and people, governments, and institutions all virtualize their records. Having worked with a few technology firms over the years, I can tell you having separate record keeping systems for every organization, level of government, and corporation really leads to inefficiencies. If everyone goes digital and there's some standardization (like everyone uses the same blockchain, or governments use one blockchain and corporations another, etc...) it'll be a game changer.

Sure but I don't think it adds much value over the current system.
Using blockchain to make a less efficient ledger doesn't seem very useful.

 

[Valcazar]

That's fair. In my opinion, it'll only really add value if it gets mass adoption and people, governments, and institutions all virtualize their records. Having worked with a few technology firms over the years, I can tell you having separate record keeping systems for every organization, level of government, and corporation really leads to inefficiencies. If everyone goes digital and there's some standardization (like everyone uses the same blockchain, or governments use one blockchain and corporations another, etc...) it'll be a game changer.

But why use a blockchain if all you want is everyone on the same ledger?
What benefit do you get from that?

 

[DiscreetRocker]

Sure there are other options besides blockchain.

It's just that the blockchain has many, many advantages that others don't necessarily have. For example: It's already today; it's publicly verifiable; it's proven to work; unlike many software applications sold by corporations, blockchain has an army of developers making their code public for inspection and verification; etc. Blockchain isn't the only answer for a ledger but it brings with it all the advantages of the blockchain.

But why use a blockchain if all you want is everyone on the same ledger?
What benefit do you get from that?

 

[Valcazar]

Sure there are other options besides blockchain.

It's just that the blockchain has many, many advantages that others don't necessarily have. For example: It's already today; it's publicly verifiable; it's proven to work; unlike many software applications sold by corporations, blockchain has an army of developers making their code public for inspection and verification; etc. Blockchain isn't the only answer for a ledger but it brings with it all the advantages of the blockchain.

But blockchain doesn't have any of those advantages.

* Publicly verifiable is not unique to blockchain.
* Proven to work isn't unique to blockchain
* Open source isn't unique to blockchain.

Why want a slower, less efficient ledger that brings no advantages?
The only possible advantage I can see is "trustless" but I don't see much benefit in that for this use case, especially for the performance overhead.

 

[DiscreetRocker]

I didn't say the blockchain is the only solution with these advantages. Don't ignore the other points I made: It's going to be likely impossible to get mass adoption using ledger software created by a private company, compared with blockchain which is public and universally accessible. Not all blockchains are inefficient or expensive either. Many are, but there are many that aren't.

But blockchain doesn't have any of those advantages.

* Publicly verifiable is not unique to blockchain.
* Proven to work isn't unique to blockchain
* Open source isn't unique to blockchain.

Why want a slower, less efficient ledger that brings no advantages?
The only possible advantage I can see is "trustless" but I don't see much benefit in that for this use case, especially for the performance overhead.

 

[Valcazar]

I didn't say the blockchain is the only solution with these advantages. Don't ignore the other points I made: It's going to be likely impossible to get mass adoption using ledger software created by a private company, compared with blockchain which is public and universally accessible. Not all blockchains are inefficient or expensive either. Many are, but there are many that aren't.

Yes they are.
There are ones that use non-blockchain transactions to store stuff until it can be added to the inefficient blockchain.
Blockchains aren't any more public and universally accessible.
The idea of getting everyone to adopt the same blockchain is the same problem as getting everyone to choose any ledger.

There doesn't appear to be aspect of this that is better done by blockchain.

 

[sprite09]

Stop the bickering; it's all about price action and making money .BTC is up essentially 100 percent from its low in 2022.

BlackRock, the biggest asset management firm with an AUM of 10 trillion, filed its first application for a BTC ETF, and the firm has 99.8 percent success rate of approval (574/575)[1]. BlackRock being the biggest dick, other firms have followed and refiled (e.g.fidelity).

BTC printed its first green candle on the MACD on the monthly time frame, and the halving event is next year, so we're likely in the early stages of the bull run.

Ripple essentially won its case against the SEC.

So, are you gonna do?


Most will be sidelooners.

If you're happy with your return whatever you're doing it, so be it. At the end of the day, don't expect some politician to suddenly save the day , LOL!

If you have money that you can play with; can stomach the volatility and hold out for a couple of years, it's likely gonna be a wild ride.

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[Valcazar]

Stop the bickering; it's all about price action and making money .BTC is up essentially 100 percent from its low in 2022.

BlackRock, the biggest asset management firm with an AUM of 10 trillion, filed its first application for a BTC ETF, and the firm has 99.8 percent success rate of approval (574/575)[1]. BlackRock being the biggest dick, other firms have followed and refiled (e.g.fidelity).

BTC printed its first green candle on the MACD on the monthly time frame, and the halving event is next year, so we're likely in the early stages of the bull run.

Ripple essentially won its case against the SEC.

So, are you gonna do?


Most will be sidelooners.

If you're happy with your return whatever you're doing it, so be it. At the end of the day, don't expect some politician to suddenly save the day , LOL!

If you have money that you can play with; can stomach the volatility and hold out for a couple of years, it's likely gonna be a wild ride.

[1]https://www.etf.com/sections/features/why-blackrocks-bitcoin-etf-may-succeed-where-dozens-failed

Crypto & Bitcoin is ‘Digitizing Gold’ says Larry Fink BlackRock CEO

BlackRock CEO Larry Fink makes bullish statements about Crypto.🌟Sponsor - Signup with Uphold. https://uphold.sjv.io/gbED4X🟢 Sponsor - Coreum https://www.co...

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What does any of that have to do with NFTs not being a useful solution to art ownership verification?

 

[sprite09]

What does any of that have to do with NFTs not being a useful solution to art ownership verification?

the most recent post was debating about blockchain this and that, that's what I was referring to.

wonder where that dude went whom I try to make a bet with regarding the price of BTC (blackbootylover or something ?)? hope he didn't dare short it then get rekt.

 

[Valcazar]

the most recent post was debating about blockchain this and that, that's what I was referring to.

Are we using the market price of BTC as a proxy for "faith in blockchain technology" or something?
What does BTC (if you believe it is its own unique thing and not just a proxy for the concept of the blockchain) have to do with whether or not blockchains are good for proof of art ownership?

 

[sprite09]

Are we using the market price of BTC as a proxy for "faith in blockchain technology" or something?
What does BTC (if you believe it is its own unique thing and not just a proxy for the concept of the blockchain) have to do with whether or not blockchains are good for proof of art ownership?

my point is stop arguing about this stuff.

to me it's all about price action, regardless if you are absolutely right that blockchain and its "applications" are useless. I guess if a guy can't counter back and that makes you sleep better at night, all to you.

some people do view blockchain as the ultimate driving force for price action (and hence buy or "invest" in crypto) , some people like yourself think it's useless (and hence sit out). i would just leave it at that, it's not like you're gonna convince each other anyway.